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« on: May 30, 2009, 01:40:49 PM » |
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Lately I have been thinking about using classical conditioning for lucid dreams. I have read about using operant conditioning to have lucid dreams, but that relies on reward and/or punishment. Classical conditioning just depends on forminging an association between two stimuli. It is good that is does not have to be a reward because if you were to use a reward like chocolate you could run out of it and lose motivation or it could grow old. Since the stimulus does not have to be a reward it doesn't matter as much. Here is the idea of how this could be applied to lucids:
1)pick a stimulus. It could be a new song that you haven't heard before, or a ritual of some sort.
2)wait to have a lucid dream
3)When you write the dream down, or before you WILD, introduce the stimulus.
4)after doing step 3 for several times introduce the stimulus before you want the lucid dreams
please post comments, corrections, replies, results ...ect
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2009, 04:11:18 PM » |
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Well, you should try it and see what happens. I've tried some things like this (once was my "gruel diet" where I ate nothing but this powdered nutritional food mix until I had a lucid). It can work.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2009, 08:32:11 AM » |
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I've tried the operant conditioning before, but this sounds like it would be a lot more effective. I'm going to try this soon, I'll let you know the results after a month or so. Great idea!  |
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009, 09:56:53 AM » |
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my "gruel diet" where I ate nothing but this powdered nutritional food mix until I had a lucid Sounds Yummy :( |
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2009, 07:32:07 PM » |
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my "gruel diet" where I ate nothing but this powdered nutritional food mix until I had a lucid Sounds Yummy :( Well, it's healthy, but not too yummy. Maybe I should threaten myself with that again. |
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 11:08:50 AM » |
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I used to always use the brainwave entrainment program on my psp while trying to lucid. It worked for a while, then stopped. I wonder if maybe it wasn't the brainwaves that helped me get lucid, but the conditioning to associate the beats with lucid dreaming. It's certainly possible. I haven't done it so much lately. Maybe I should.
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2009, 09:35:10 AM » |
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The brain entrainment program could only make you more aware so that you could become lucid, so it may (or may not) be this.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 10:06:46 AM » |
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The last two times that I have had lucid dreams I have held my left hand in a postion that I normaly wouldn't hold it in while writing my dreams down, so I'll see how that works out after a while.
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 02:57:25 PM » |
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Very interesting concept here, I will also see what luck it brings me. While pondering what I would use as a reward, the thought that struck me was that there would be no better reward than a lucid dream!  |
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2009, 02:54:28 PM » |
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O.O I never thought of using classical conditioning for LDs, I mean Skinner's operant conditioning sure (positive reinforcement and such).
I think though it would be easiest with WILDs since they have the highest success rate.
And XD rewards are for operant love~
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