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Resources => News, Events, and Inspiration => : DrTechnical October 08, 2011, 08:16:57 AM
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Yes, the subject is a mouthful. I wanted to share this info since I am certain that there are people on this site who will find it quite interesting. I recently bought this device:
http://www.shaktitechnology.com/shiva/index.htm
While the sales catch here is obviously developing psychic abilities, there is a lot more going on and many more potential applications. This package comes with 3 independent pieces of software. One is the so called Persinger octopus. Persinger is a researcher who works in the area of magnetic stimulation of the brain. The author refers to this as the Shiva configuration. There is also the Shatki SW which supports various configurations to hit different portions of the brain. Finally, there is the "God Helmet" configuration (a name coined later). The God Helmet is a configuration and signal which has been tested on 100's of people in a university setting. Subjects were told nothing other than it was an experiment about relaxation.In 80% of the cases, subjects reported a presence. In a small % of people, the subjects reported having deep spiritual experiences, such as seeing God.
So in short, there are different configurations of the magnets, each supporting numerous signals that have different applications.
So far I have tried three sessions:
1) I did a basic Persinger session with the 16 coil configuration. I did indeed have a very interesting precognitive experience about 3 days later. The experimental data collected by Persinger suggests an after effect of this type.
2) I used the 16 coil config to apply the 40 Hz consciousness signal at WBTB. I got lucid 2.5 hours afterward. It was an odd sort of lucid, and not pleasant per say. But there was an apparent correlation between lucidity and the session.
3) Finally, this morning I did a God Helmet session. This was a pretty intense experience. Think binaural beats or perhaps CES at a delta or theta state, but much stronger. Very pleasant overall experience with lots of very strong and colorful hypnagogic flashes. There was a peacefulness about it. The experience felt very warm and very safe. It's hard to describe. Now I am no stranger to altered states, so my perception of pleasant might be another's "weird" or "just too intense". I can see why people report a presence or in some cases a sense of God. I would describe that element of the experience more like the feeling one has on psychedelics, that feeling of oneness or interconnection. I would describe it that way.
So all in all, I am rather pleased with results so far. It is pricey obviously. And it is quite difficult to configure and get the hang of. But the author was sufficiently quick and detailed about getting back to my e-mailed questions. So I did fine. But one needs to make sure you test and map the correct coil to the correct signal everytime, as there is no assurance that you PC will maintain the same mapping between re-boots. Like I said, it's a bit of work.
But for those looking to explore entrainment with a more complex, potentially more powerful methodology, this might be for you.
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I've been waiting for this. It is something Moonbeam and I were batting about building a couple years back - though nothing this sophisticated. What we had in mind would have required another person monitoring you all the time to make sure you didn't accidentally turn off some part of the brain that keep you breathing or something. . .
Very cool. Very out of my reach right now, unfortunately, but I can see amazing potential. I think it is a huge step up from electrical entrainment.
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Well one thing that is good here, is that the author is specific about which signals have been rigorously tested and explored in a University setting and which have not. So if you stick with the well understood signals and coil patterns, it is highly unlikely you will have a problem. No sitter required.
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Wow. Thanks; keep letting us know what happens! Very interesting. Can you sleep with it on?
Depends on the configuration. If you have 16 coils around your head, I would presume no since you need to sit up. The God Helmet cfg for example has coils over each amygdala (basically above and slightly to the front of the ears).
I received an even cooler toy today. It is approaching time to put up or shut up. Whatever the hell that means ;).
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Well this is nicely timed, considering I haven't been on the forum here in well over a year... :)
I just bought one of the 8 coil shakti devices about a a week ago. Just thought I'd check around and see if I could find any discussions on it.
Keenly awaiting it's arrival.. Sounds like it has been a worth while purchase for you Dr T.
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Well this is nicely timed, considering I haven't been on the forum here in well over a year... :)
I just bought one of the 8 coil shakti devices about a a week ago. Just thought I'd check around and see if I could find any discussions on it.
Keenly awaiting it's arrival.. Sounds like it has been a worth while purchase for you Dr T.
Hi Gen, long time no see.
Iadr's been using the 8 coil shakti device for about 4 years now. Definitely worth the money. Unsure exactly how it affects one's ability to lucid dream, although at times we've had a lot of lucid dreams on the nights we've used it. It does have an effect on the brain as we found out one night when we accidentally took it off too early before the session was over, when we felt it pulling on our brain when we took it off. :chuckle: Since that time we've been a lot more careful and unplug the wire before taking it off if we're unsure if the session is over or not.
Todd Murphy's a great guy. If you have any questions about the device after you get it just sent him an email and he'll be more than happy to answer any questions you have.
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Hey Iadr, good to see you still around here.. ;-D
I am so excited to be getting one.. But I am going to have to discipline myself when it arrives and make sure I read all the instructions before I use it! This sort of thing makes me feel like a kid in a candy shop!
Which sessions have you found to be most effective on the shakti?
Do you use binaural entrainment at all, because I'm hoping this might enhance the effect.
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Which sessions have you found to be most effective on the shakti?
Do you use binaural entrainment at all, because I'm hoping this might enhance the effect.
We just use the Starter sessions and alternate back and forth between the General Altered State and Feel Good Session. Rather than trying to keep track of how many days it's been since we used it last since you're supposed to take 4 days off in between sessions, we just use it a couple of times a week, usually on Wednesdays and Sundays, which is easier to remember.
We stopped using the binaural entrainment quite some time ago because it seemed to interfere with our dream recall, but did have good success with it a couple of times in inducing obes. Maybe we'll try it again someday.
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That means there are at least 4 people on MM with this technology in hand. We might want to consider a study group of some kind, to collect data and results. I had no idea that Iadr and Iadr was already using this technology.
I haven't even used the Shatki program yet. I have done some 16 coil shiva sessions. I have done a bunch of God helmet sessions. In the God Helmet cfg with 4 coils in a circular pattern over the temporal lobes, I tried the modulated 40 Hz 30 min then right hippocampus 30 min program. This got me lucid, 40 minutes after finishing the program and going back to bed. I tried that the night before last. It is noted in my dream journal.
I agree with Iadr BTW. Todd Murphy is a very helpful guy. I don't mind saying something positive about someone for a change. He is very prompt over e-mail and has thoroughly answered all my questions.
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I had no idea that Iadr and Iadr was already using this technology.
:chuckle:
Probably should explain that for anyone not familiar with what iadr is doing. Before the first of the year iadr felt directed by his subconsious to stop using words such as I, me, my, mine, etc, so so made a New Years resolution to stop using these words. After doing this for about 10 months now it has almost become a habit as we talk about ourselves, conscious and subconscious, either in the third person, or as a team by using words like we and us. ;-D
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That means there are at least 4 people on MM with this technology in hand. We might want to consider a study group of some kind, to collect data and results. I had no idea that Iadr and Iadr was already using this technology.
I'd totally be down with that idea.. Just as soon as this thing arrives.. {Taps fingers impatiently}... :waiting: (hmm, maybe the shakti will help me improve on my lack of patience too)
In the mean time I have been soaking up the info in Todd Murphy's lectures, they are fantastic.. http://www.shaktitechnology.com/Video_lectures.htm
Probably should explain that for anyone not familiar with what iadr is doing. Before the first of the year iadr felt directed by his subconsious to stop using words such as I, me, my, mine, etc, so so made a New Years resolution to stop using these words. After doing this for about 10 months now it has almost become a habit as we talk about ourselves, conscious and subconscious, either in the third person, or as a team by using words like we and us. ;-D
lol, iadr.. I'd figured it was something like that.. Subconscious knows best. :)
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I would get one just to be part of the group or just for fun messing around with the tech as i don't really know anything about it as of yet, and i have a few questions first though. Will i have to shave my head? I'm quite a hairy headed person and am wondering if i would have to shave my head so the contacts can make contact with my skull. I also wonder how safe the thing is? Like a previous poster said, I would want to be very careful as i don't have a sitter and would not want to get paralyzed or not be able to breathe for some reason or another. Do you start to hallucinate while using it? or is it like a vivid day dream?
Let me know guys, I will probably join you in these experiments :).
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I would get one just to be part of the group or just for fun messing around with the tech as i don't really know anything about it as of yet, and i have a few questions first though. Will i have to shave my head? I'm quite a hairy headed person and am wondering if i would have to shave my head so the contacts can make contact with my skull.
No, the contacts don't need to make contact with your head. The contacts are placed on this ball cap that comes with it and you just wear the ball cap when you are ready to do a session. That way they are in place and ready to go whenever you are ready to do a session. Much easier than trying to stick them on your head. There was a band that came with it also when iadr received his, that the magnets can be placed on, but we've always used the ball cap.
I also wonder how safe the thing is? Like a previous poster said, I would want to be very careful as i don't have a sitter and would not want to get paralyzed or not be able to breathe for some reason or another.
The creator of the device has done extensive testing with it, and has those tests available for anyone who wants to read them. There are also various warnings that come with the device such as taking 4 days off between each session and then taking another break after each 6 sessions. In addition the device should not be used by anyone with a history of epilepsy, migraine headaches or psychiatric disorders, which warnings come up each time the program is started.
Do you start to hallucinate while using it? or is it like a vivid day dream?
Not likely. In fact, you may experience nothing at all while using the device. Although with time you will probably begin to notice subtle changes taking place in your life as your conscious and subconscious become more synchronized from using the device, as you will start getting more hunches and intuitions about things than you normally would. The real key to using this device is to take a long term approach to it. as someone expecting immediate results or mind blowing experiences will probably end up being disappointed.
Let me know guys, I will probably join you in these experiments :).
Would love to have you join us IndigoGhost, but don't want you to become discouraged if you don't notice any immediate results as most of the results from this device are probably going to be more long term.
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Would love to have you join us IndigoGhost, but don't want you to become discouraged if you don't notice any immediate results as most of the results from this device are probably going to be more long term.
I prefer slow anyway, i kind of wonder how quickly it would effect me since i already have a lot of those hunch moments. I for example have walked into a restaurant before and have ordered something complex without checking the menu. I think this type may be because my subconscious picked up the information somewhere in my visual field and was able to give it up when i was asked what i wanted, kind of a "click" then speak response to a sudden question without thinking about it. I have also had similar things when i'm asked random off-hand questions, I seem to be able to answer the question correctly even if i don't know the answer, although it only works when i'm not expecting it to happen or not focusing on anything. I think its even more interesting the restaurant times where i have been able to do it since as you know i have myopia and cant read the words at a distance because its just a blur, that makes me wonder even more about eyesight and how information is gained through the eyes as i have always assumed my ability to do this is down to my visual field picking up information as i walk in and relaying it later, however impossible it would seem with my eyesight.
I also wonder how hard the setup is for the device? I have check on the website and it talks about setting up the audio with 2 headphones every time you use the device, is this really needed? It seems like a ton of work to get it up and running, also is it annoying having it attached to a computer? I would assume so because of all the fiddly wires. I also wonder the effect long term on the brain as what is the actually structural change of the brain being caused by the device? I assume since you gain benefits while not using it that there is some kind of structural change right?
It seems very interesting to me, what kind of things have you guys noticed so far with your use of the device? Like any interesting story's about the use and effects on your daily life? :)
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I prefer slow anyway, i kind of wonder how quickly it would effect me since i already have a lot of those hunch moments.
You'd probably just have a lot more of those kind of moments. When iadr first started using the device he'd see what looked like flashes during the day which he assumed were spirits that he was just catching a fleeting glimpse of.
I also wonder how hard the setup is for the device? I have check on the website and it talks about setting up the audio with 2 headphones every time you use the device, is this really needed? It seems like a ton of work to get it up and running.
Not that hard to get set up although maybe a little confusing at first. Once you get it set up though you're good to go from then on and don't need to change anything around unless you decide to do some experimenting with various programs. We've always just stuck with the basic programs though so have never needed to
change anything around.
Is it annoying having it attached to a computer? I would assume so because of all the fiddly wires.
Not really annoying at all having it attached to a computer because the program will work with most any computer, even an old one, at least the version we have does. So we run it on this old Pentium 233 computer that we have on the other side of our bedroom. All you have to do is to plug the cord into the speaker plug in the back of the computer and then put the ball cap on your head and relax. We use ours when going to bed so sometimes fall asleep while using it. As it is somewhat of a distance from our computer to our bed we have a 25 foot extension wire running along the bottom of our bed that we plug the device into, which plug we also use to plug these speakers into to listen to affirmations when we sleep when we're not using the Shakti device. As the wires on the device are somewhat long, we have ours tied up to shorten them, and also put some tape on the wires going into the connections to keep them from coming disconnected which they occasionally did. Not too long ago we had our wires so tangled up from not having straightened them out for so long that we sat down and unplugged the wires one at a time and got them untangled and then plugged them back in. They're a lot easier to manage now that we've gotten them all straightened out. :chuckle: Surprisingly it only took about 10 minutes and was something we should have done about a year ago.
I also wonder the effect long term on the brain as what is the actually structural change of the brain being caused by the device? I assume since you gain benefits while not using it that there is some kind of structural change right?
That would probably be a good question to ask Todd Murphy the creator of the device, although he probably already has it mentioned somewhere in his literature.
It seems very interesting to me, what kind of things have you guys noticed so far with your use of the device? Like any interesting story's about the use and effects on your daily life? :)
The device can affect a person's moods which is the purpose of one of the programs on it called the Feel Good program which is supposed to stimulate a persons brain to just make them feel good. It can also bring up past memories a person has had, so you may find yourself recalling things you've done in the past while using the device.
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The God Helmet cfg and waveforms produce a light visionary state. Like very intense HI.
Like I said upfront, there are really three very unique applications here: (PSI, visionary states and lucid dream induction).
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The God Helmet cfg and waveforms produce a light visionary state. Like very intense HI.
Sounds like iadr needs to upgrade his software as it sounds like there are a lot more things that can be done with this now. Maybe one of these days old iadr will even upgrade his 8 coil to that deluxe 16 coil one that you have Dr. Tech, so he can send twice as much current into his brain. :chuckle:.
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Thanks Iadr! I always think of the other iadr as female i'm not sure why. I just seem to glance a feeling that its like your wife in your head on something haha, not sure how correct that would be but i do seem to relate it with being female and the more dominant and non subconscious Iadr to be male. :P
"gets images of Iadr going to bed with Iadr like a married couple would ;)"
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Thanks Iadr! I always think of the other iadr as female i'm not sure why. I just seem to glance a feeling that its like your wife in your head on something haha, not sure how correct that would be but i do seem to relate it with being female and the more dominant and non subconscious Iadr to be male. :P
"gets images of Iadr going to bed with Iadr like a married couple would ;)"
:chuckle: :clap:
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So I've got the Shakti now.. Been playing around with different settings and timings for the last month, and think I should probably give it a rest for a few weeks and start again. So far I haven't zapped myself for longer than 30 mins at a time. I remember a little more dreams, and they are more vivid and connected, particularly the second night after using it. I haven't stuck with any one session type though, which is not how it is recommended to be used, but I'm curious and impatient so thats how I did it.. I did do a left/right test session and found my brain to be "normal".. ::)
So anyway, just thought I'd give a brief update on my progress.
Anyone else got interesting feedback?
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We've not noticed anything unusual for quite some time from using ours, but the effects do seem to be permanent, as we've taken as much as 6 months off from using it before and didn't notice any less vivid dreams. It's difficult to tell how much of our progress in dreams is from the Shakti and how much is from supplements though because we take a ton of brain enhancing supplements, which is probably what most of the improvements in our dreams and lucids has come from.
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So I've got the Shakti now.. Been playing around with different settings and timings for the last month, and think I should probably give it a rest for a few weeks and start again. So far I haven't zapped myself for longer than 30 mins at a time. I remember a little more dreams, and they are more vivid and connected, particularly the second night after using it. I haven't stuck with any one session type though, which is not how it is recommended to be used, but I'm curious and impatient so thats how I did it.. I did do a left/right test session and found my brain to be "normal".. ::)
So anyway, just thought I'd give a brief update on my progress.
Anyone else got interesting feedback?
Have you tried using it during a WBTB session yet? I suspect there is a short term and long term effect to this type of stimulation. The best way to leverage any short term effect would be to use it when your brain is primed to go back into REM for long periods of time. That means doing it at WBTB, as opposed to some arbitrary time before bedtime.
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Have you tried using it during a WBTB session yet? I suspect there is a short term and long term effect to this type of stimulation. The best way to leverage any short term effect would be to use it when your brain is primed to go back into REM for long periods of time. That means doing it at WBTB, as opposed to some arbitrary time before bedtime.
Interesting idea DrTech. Iadr's always just used his when going to bed, so half the time just falls asleep with it on, which probably diminishes some of its effect. :chuckle: What iadr is interested in knowing, since Mr Murphy's never responded to his last email, is what is the difference between the 8 coil model and the deluxe 16 coil model the you have. Sounds like the 16 coil model would probably put a person in a much deeper state than the 8 coil model does since it would be sending twice as much current to the brain and has some improved programming with it.
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I think the big advantage to the 16 coil Shiva package is that it includes the Shatki and God helmet SW and configurations as well. So you get a lot more options and a lot more to play with.
I have had a lot of success getting lucid with the God Helmet configuration (4 coils over each temporal lobe), with a 30 min modulated chirp on the left, followed by 30 min hippocampus signal L/R. It is interesting how everyone is wired quite differently. Murphy suggests that this cfg and signal might yield some very good HI. For me it doesn't at all. But it is positive for lucid dream induction.
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Have you tried using it during a WBTB session yet? I suspect there is a short term and long term effect to this type of stimulation. The best way to leverage any short term effect would be to use it when your brain is primed to go back into REM for long periods of time. That means doing it at WBTB, as opposed to some arbitrary time before bedtime.
No I've been doing it at night before bed.. That's a great idea though, I will give it a go in a few weeks after I take a short break.
I did a few feelgood sessions, and then a few hippocampus temporal lobe sessions, and then a hippocampal test session to find my best side, and then a 30min hippocampal over my right frontal lobe.. This stuff makes me feel like such a geek :bigsmile:
After a short respite, I will have a go with some of the longer sessions, maybe the God helmet config.
How often are you using your's Dr T, are you sticking to the guidelines?
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How often are you using your's Dr T, are you sticking to the guidelines?
To that question, I would simply refer you to my signature. 3rd quote down. I think Yngwie was referring to his guitar playing/shreding. But the quote applies equally well to the question at hand.
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Ha! well, that was my thought too, and I have certainly been going a little harder that the directions suggest. Not so worried about side effects, I just wonder if it will have a desensitising effect if I over do it.