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Lucid Dreaming => Seekers' Corner => : johnb December 17, 2014, 03:35:12 PM

: Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR)
: johnb December 17, 2014, 03:35:12 PM
Saw this article on ASMR yesterday:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/11287099/The-videos-that-make-you-tingle.html

Despite anecdotal evidence of the effectiveness of ASMR, there has been little or no scientific research into why such videos should provoke such a physical response.

Have any of you heard of it or tried it? Seems similar to meditation. Or maybe hypnosis. Wonder if it might be useful as an LD induction method. Something you could do during WBTB to get your brain into a state more conducive to having LDs. Also, it might relax you and help you get back to sleep faster.
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: Rebel Seven December 18, 2014, 07:25:09 PM
That is interesting! Also she states, among other things, that she used these videos to help with insomnia, but she doesn't explain further than that, I wonder how they helped?
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: johnb December 18, 2014, 07:36:07 PM
That is interesting! Also she states, among other things, that she used these videos to help with insomnia, but she doesn't explain further than that, I wonder how they helped?

Watching the videos is kind of relaxing. I can see how they could make you sleepy. But the best test would be to watch one next time you're having trouble getting to sleep.
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: iadr December 18, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
This thread reminded iadr of something he's been wanting to check out...videos of flying, and hovering over landscapes, etc, that by watching before going to bed, might influence a person's dreams so that they could have dreams of floating or hovering over landscapes.

So we just did a search, and found an incredible site called Vimeo that has such videos on it.

Below is one such video:
https://vimeo.com/104840203
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: Rebel Seven December 19, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
Nice find! Thanks for posting.
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: johnb December 19, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
Below is one such video:
https://vimeo.com/104840203

Good one! Wonder if that was filmed using drones?
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: iadr December 19, 2014, 07:59:08 PM
Have been checking that site out a bit more, and have found that there are a ton of those kind of videos on it.  Just go up to the search spot and put in Flying Over, and see what all it returns. A lot of really great videos of flying over various landscapes.

As far as using this technique goes, we tried it last night, and it worked. We just watched the video for 3 or 4 minutes before going to bed, and then later after having gotten a few hours of sleep, just felt our self being being way up high looking down on the landscapes we had seen in the video...and we were suddenly there...way up high looking down on the landscapes. One of the easiest lucids we've ever entered.

We plan to develop a new technique using these videos that we will probably call VIDEOILD (Video induced Lucid Dream)
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: johnb December 29, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
I've tried a few ASMR videos. They do seem to have a mood-altering effect. Some work better than others.

This one works pretty well for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Nve3S4pxc

It's in French. Not being able to understand more than a few isolated words seems to be helpful. Seems like I can better experience the pure sound of the words, rather than the meanings.
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: Vex January 03, 2015, 03:28:12 PM
ASMR is very strange and creepy. Which of course means I had to try it.
I watched the videos and they didn't do anything for me. Maybe if I watch the videos again using headphones it'll have more of a impact.
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: Boadicea January 04, 2015, 02:22:36 AM
ASMR is very strange and creepy. Which of course means I had to try it.
I watched the videos and they didn't do anything for me. Maybe if I watch the videos again using headphones it'll have more of a impact.

I agree, Vex. Those videos don't do anything for me. The only thing I got was random spots of itchiness because of my heightened senses, which were in anticipation of a reaction. In other words, all I got was what I created for myself psychologically. I definitely see how these videos could be relaxing, because of the sounds and such, but I also think that they could hold one's senses on edge and be the complete opposite of relaxation, which is what I got.
Headphones would probably make a world of difference, (when I can get new ones that actually work, lol), but I'm not expecting any tingles, as I have never had spine-tingles in reaction to any of the sounds illustrated, with the exception of someone whispering at my neck, which only creates the response because I didn't expect it, and the sudden feeling of breath on my skin.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
I'm still itching in random places. Dagnabbit! lol

EDIT: I actually found headphones that work, so I tried them and watched the videos. My reaction was simultaneous boredom and edginess. I feel like I have bugs crawling in random places all over and the sounds used put me on edge, especially the whispering, because I naturally strain my ears to hear it.
I wonder if it has anything to do with how well I hear. When I was a baby the hearing doctors said that I had the best hearing they had ever seen, and I've always been able to hear some things that other people can't, and while I was a baby, and extra sensitive, any loud or sharp sounds whatsoever would make me involuntarily jump. Perhaps my ears are over sensitive, so the ASMR doesn't work?
I'm probably over-analyzing this, but I'm done now. :P 
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: Vex January 04, 2015, 04:27:07 AM
Have a feeling that headphones will probably result in the same for me. I may still try it though just for the heck of it.
The tapping noises and the plastic sounds irritated me. It's because they remind me of sneaky mouse noises. I can be dead asleep and the slightest crinkling noise or tapping or clicking will make me pop wide awake. And I'll be angry because I was awakened. And if it's a mouse that woke me up I rampage through the house making all kinds of racket trying to scare it away. I must look like a maniac when I'm in mousehate mode.
I think if anything will give me the tingles it might be the book sounds. I love everything about books (except their prices sometimes). I'll use the headphones with the book video for sure and see what happens. Hey, might as well do it now since I'm practically wide awake at 3:30 am.

*scampers off to listen to book noises*

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: Luminous January 04, 2015, 04:53:11 PM
I have ASMR, and I love it! :D I often listen to ASMR videos, and it helps me relax and get through stress. Not everyone experiences ASMR, and no one knows if you can learn to experience it. But the tingles... they are amazing. ASMR makes me feel very relaxed and euphoric.
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: johnb January 05, 2015, 05:24:00 PM
I have ASMR, and I love it! :D I often listen to ASMR videos, and it helps me relax and get through stress. Not everyone experiences ASMR, and no one knows if you can learn to experience it. But the tingles... they are amazing. ASMR makes me feel very relaxed and euphoric.

Seems to work for some people. Kind of works for me. Makes me feel relaxed, almost hypnotized. Might be the placebo effect, to some extent.
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: Vex January 07, 2015, 12:34:23 AM
I have ASMR, and I love it! :D I often listen to ASMR videos, and it helps me relax and get through stress. Not everyone experiences ASMR, and no one knows if you can learn to experience it. But the tingles... they are amazing. ASMR makes me feel very relaxed and euphoric.

Very cool. I kinda hoped it would work for me. I think it might if I can find the right trigger. I haven't been able to try this with earphones yet cuz I lost them.
 :angry1:
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: Oneironautical1 January 08, 2015, 10:29:34 PM
ASMR videos never really did it for me.  I don't know if its the same thing but I do get a similar "Braingasm" sort of thing.  It only happens to me when something awe inspiring happens.  Mostly supreme synchronicity with a song in a music video or when when a song hits a certain part I really like.  I can feel my scalp sort of tighten up as all the air on my head and down my neck stands on end.  Sometimes the electric feeling in my head can go all the way down my back and into my hands and feet.
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: Boadicea January 09, 2015, 01:55:43 PM
ASMR videos never really did it for me.  I don't know if its the same thing but I do get a similar "Braingasm" sort of thing.  It only happens to me when something awe inspiring happens.  Mostly supreme synchronicity with a song in a music video or when when a song hits a certain part I really like.  I can feel my scalp sort of tighten up as all the air on my head and down my neck stands on end.  Sometimes the electric feeling in my head can go all the way down my back and into my hands and feet.

That's the only way I ever get those feelings as well. I love a good song that'll do that.
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: mentalenforcer January 09, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
ASMR videos never really did it for me.  I don't know if its the same thing but I do get a similar "Braingasm" sort of thing.  It only happens to me when something awe inspiring happens.  Mostly supreme synchronicity with a song in a music video or when when a song hits a certain part I really like.  I can feel my scalp sort of tighten up as all the air on my head and down my neck stands on end.  Sometimes the electric feeling in my head can go all the way down my back and into my hands and feet.

That's the only way I ever get those feelings as well. I love a good song that'll do that.

I'm not sure if I get ASMR or not.  There seem to be a number of similar (yet distinct?) things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_sensory_meridian_response
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_chill

The response to music sounds most like frisson.

One song that comes to mind for this is Journey - Feeling That Way/Anytime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OOUY1Z_XOQ) (especially the crescendo at 5:00 - 5:15)
: YouTube Player •
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OOUY1Z_XOQ[/youtube]

Does this work for anyone?


There is another sensation I get sometimes (distinct from the three listed above), that causes me to shudder/shiver but without the cold sensation of cold chill.
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: johnb January 09, 2015, 05:55:32 PM
ASMR videos never really did it for me.  I don't know if its the same thing but I do get a similar "Braingasm" sort of thing.  It only happens to me when something awe inspiring happens.  Mostly supreme synchronicity with a song in a music video or when when a song hits a certain part I really like.  I can feel my scalp sort of tighten up as all the air on my head and down my neck stands on end.  Sometimes the electric feeling in my head can go all the way down my back and into my hands and feet.

Sounds like it could be the same thing.
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: johnb January 09, 2015, 07:53:22 PM
I'm not sure if I get ASMR or not.  There seem to be a number of similar (yet distinct?) things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_sensory_meridian_response
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_chill

The response to music sounds most like frisson.

There is another sensation I get sometimes (distinct from the three listed above), that causes me to shudder/shiver but without the cold sensation of cold chill.

Good point. Could be basically the same thing as frisson or cold chill.
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: Shellidfl January 10, 2015, 10:19:26 PM
I know I tend to get the "hair on the back of your head moving" sensation.  Can be brought on by many different stimuli.  Some of which I shall not discuss here! ;-D

Actually, I can bring it on at times just by thinking of feeling it.  Or thinking of some music or other memories.
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: johnb January 12, 2015, 05:39:22 PM
Some of which I shall not discuss here! ;-D

I think that may be a different category of response.  :angel:
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: Shellidfl January 12, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
Some of which I shall not discuss here! ;-D

I think that may be a different category of response.  :angel:

 :lmao:
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: Vex January 14, 2015, 12:08:21 AM
Keep forgetting to get me some buds so I can try this.
The guys on the radio station I listen to were talking about ASMR the other day, listening to some videos. One guy liked it. The other thought it was weird. And the third guy got angry.
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: johnb January 14, 2015, 03:46:43 PM
Keep forgetting to get me some buds so I can try this.

Probably best to get high-quality ones, so you can hear all the nuances of the sounds.

The guys on the radio station I listen to were talking about ASMR the other day, listening to some videos. One guy liked it. The other thought it was weird. And the third guy got angry.

I can understand the first two, but what made the third guy angry?
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: Vex January 15, 2015, 07:38:58 PM
Keep forgetting to get me some buds so I can try this.

Probably best to get high-quality ones, so you can hear all the nuances of the sounds.

The guys on the radio station I listen to were talking about ASMR the other day, listening to some videos. One guy liked it. The other thought it was weird. And the third guy got angry.

I can understand the first two, but what made the third guy angry?

Yes. I intend on getting some good ones this time around, bigger ones at least so they'll be easier to find.

The third guy said the whispering was obnoxious. But he gets angry at everything anyway.

I found a noise today that makes my scalp get all scrunched up feeling. Rather, the noise found me. I was sitting beside someone who was eating a freezie. It was very frozen and he was biting into it and chewing on it. The sound made my scalp and shoulders feel all twitchy and hyper sensitive. I hate that sound and I told him to get away from me since I was at the table first. And it made me remember that one of my sisters used to chew ice cubes all the time. She'd get a cup of ice, no water, just ice, and sit on the couch crunching away on them while watching tv. That noise made me feel the same way. I threatened to slap her up a few times if she didn't stop.
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: johnb January 15, 2015, 08:11:08 PM
Yes. I intend on getting some good ones this time around, bigger ones at least so they'll be easier to find.

Always losing mine.

The third guy said the whispering was obnoxious. But he gets angry at everything anyway.

Must be a shock jock.

I found a noise today that makes my scalp get all scrunched up feeling. Rather, the noise found me. I was sitting beside someone who was eating a freezie. It was very frozen and he was biting into it and chewing on it. The sound made my scalp and shoulders feel all twitchy and hyper sensitive. I hate that sound and I told him to get away from me since I was at the table first. And it made me remember that one of my sisters used to chew ice cubes all the time. She'd get a cup of ice, no water, just ice, and sit on the couch crunching away on them while watching tv. That noise made me feel the same way. I threatened to slap her up a few times if she didn't stop.

Maybe it's like fingernails on a blackboard. That and the freezie thing might be examples of unpleasant forms of ASMR.

BTW, we don't call them "freezies" around here. Had to look that up. Good name for them, though. We mostly call them "ice pops". Freezie is better.
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: Shellidfl January 16, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
BTW, we don't call them "freezies" around here. Had to look that up. Good name for them, though. We mostly call them "ice pops". Freezie is better.

Crazy Yanks! (jj!)
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: johnb January 16, 2015, 04:00:01 PM
BTW, we don't call them "freezies" around here. Had to look that up. Good name for them, though. We mostly call them "ice pops". Freezie is better.

Crazy Yanks! (jj!)

I think you guys are more imaginative. If Walking Dead took place in Canada, it'd have a much more interesting term for zombies than "walkers".
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: Vex January 17, 2015, 04:53:23 PM
I'd call zombies rotties if I could classify them. Not too terribly imaginative but a bit more descriptive of their kind.



I was laying around listening to classical music the other day ago and some Bach came on. Then it struck me! I have gotten the cool brain tingly sensation before. It was when I'd heard a Bach piano concerto on the radio. It made my brain feel odd and twitchy in a good way. It's like I fell in love with the music it made me feel so strangely elated. At the time I first heard the piece I couldn't figure out how the piano soloist was making such music. I thought he or she must have octo-arms. It was like the piano part was pulling my brain in different directions and then elegantly winding it back together again. I was amazed at the way it affected me. At the end of the concerto the Dj announced it was a triple piano concerto. I thought, Three pianos... that's how!" I found the music online and listened to it five more times. Each time it made my temples and pre frontal cortex area tingle, and sometimes at the base of my skull I'd feel that sensation to a lesser degree. I was starting to feel a bit abnormal because I felt like the only one who has never experienced the sensation.
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: johnb January 20, 2015, 07:06:32 PM
I'd call zombies rotties if I could classify them. Not too terribly imaginative but a bit more descriptive of their kind.

Pretty good!

I was laying around listening to classical music the other day ago and some Bach came on. Then it struck me! I have gotten the cool brain tingly sensation before. It was when I'd heard a Bach piano concerto on the radio. It made my brain feel odd and twitchy in a good way. It's like I fell in love with the music it made me feel so strangely elated. At the time I first heard the piece I couldn't figure out how the piano soloist was making such music. I thought he or she must have octo-arms. It was like the piano part was pulling my brain in different directions and then elegantly winding it back together again. I was amazed at the way it affected me. At the end of the concerto the Dj announced it was a triple piano concerto. I thought, Three pianos... that's how!" I found the music online and listened to it five more times. Each time it made my temples and pre frontal cortex area tingle, and sometimes at the base of my skull I'd feel that sensation to a lesser degree. I was starting to feel a bit abnormal because I felt like the only one who has never experienced the sensation.

Hadn't heard of that one. Sounds great! Bach's music is incredibly good. Do you have a link to that piece? Found this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4SZesjbOdg
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: Vex January 21, 2015, 05:15:17 PM
Yeah, that's the one. I hadn't heard it before either, ever. I had found a place online with an excellent quality recording of all three parts of the concerto. All three are ear candy. I can't find it now though. I emailed the radio station that played it to see if they would give me the info on the piece they played. I remember them saying it was rare so I'm hoping they will help me get a copy of it.
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: johnb January 22, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Yeah, that's the one. I hadn't heard it before either, ever. I had found a place online with an excellent quality recording of all three parts of the concerto. All three are ear candy. I can't find it now though. I emailed the radio station that played it to see if they would give me the info on the piece they played. I remember them saying it was rare so I'm hoping they will help me get a copy of it.

Let us know if you find out what specific recording it was. Would be interested in ordering that, if it's available.
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: Vex January 24, 2015, 12:56:47 PM
Will do. I'm going to write the station again this weekend sometime.
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: Oneironautical1 January 30, 2015, 07:19:43 PM
ASMR videos never really did it for me.  I don't know if its the same thing but I do get a similar "Braingasm" sort of thing.  It only happens to me when something awe inspiring happens.  Mostly supreme synchronicity with a song in a music video or when when a song hits a certain part I really like.  I can feel my scalp sort of tighten up as all the air on my head and down my neck stands on end.  Sometimes the electric feeling in my head can go all the way down my back and into my hands and feet.

That's the only way I ever get those feelings as well. I love a good song that'll do that.

I'm not sure if I get ASMR or not.  There seem to be a number of similar (yet distinct?) things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_sensory_meridian_response
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_chill

The response to music sounds most like frisson.

One song that comes to mind for this is Journey - Feeling That Way/Anytime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OOUY1Z_XOQ) (especially the crescendo at 5:00 - 5:15)
: YouTube Player •
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OOUY1Z_XOQ[/youtube]

Does this work for anyone?


There is another sensation I get sometimes (distinct from the three listed above), that causes me to shudder/shiver but without the cold sensation of cold chill.

Yea the Frisson wiki described my experience perfectly!