Multiple WBTBs using an alarm clock

[johnb]

I would love to have something work more regularly than my attempts at WILDs and my 2x/week attempts at supps.

Yes. Would be good. This might not work regularly, if it works much at all. But I like the theory of it. Altering the sleep cycle.

If I do get a vibrating ALARM clock that I can strap on ( ), I am going to do some experimenting as well with this method.  
Keep us up to date.

Just ordered one myself.

[Shellidfl]

I like the look (and the price) of the Shake n Wake device.
I noticed further down on Amazon.ca a similar product...
http://www.amazon.ca/Silent-Vibrating-Alarm-Tracker-852476003005/dp/B0058DBX5U/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_6/179-0890222-1583605

Would this work like a Zeo?

[johnb]

I like the look (and the price) of the Shake n Wake device.
I noticed further down on Amazon.ca a similar product...
http://www.amazon.ca/Silent-Vibrating-Alarm-Tracker-852476003005/dp/B0058DBX5U/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_6/179-0890222-1583605

Would this work like a Zeo?

I think the LARK is similar to Zeo, except it doesn't measure brain waves. It's based on motion sensing. If you don't move around much it assumes you're in a deep-sleep state. Which isn't always the case.

OTOH, I'd rather wear something on my wrist than around my head. Not sure how comfortable that Zeo headband is.

[johnb]

1. 4/20/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 3:00, 2:00
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: ~ 2
Number of LDs recalled: 1
Number of non-LDs recalled: 0
Alarm type: Regular alarm clock.
Notes: Took Theanine capsule before going to bed.

2. 4/21/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 1:40, 1:40, 1:40, ...
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: ~ 2
Number of LDs recalled: 0
Number of non-LDs recalled: 0
Alarm type: Interval timer, with vibrating alarm.
Notes: No supplements. Interval timer didn't wake me up.

3. 4/22/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 1:30, 1:00, 1:00, 1:00
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: ~ 2
Number of LDs recalled: 0
Number of non-LDs recalled: 0
Alarm type: Regular alarm clock.
Notes: No supplements. Each time I woke up, I tried to write down what I had been dreaming about.

4. 4/23/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 3:30, 1:30, 1:30, 1:30
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: ~ 1 (or less)
Number of LDs recalled: 0
Number of non-LDs recalled: 0
Alarm type: Interval timer.
Notes: Interval timer worked much better this time. Took Theanine capsule after first alarm went off. Each time I woke up, I tried to write down what I had been dreaming about. But couldn't remember enough to write down. Sometimes I just woke up and went right back to sleep. Probably should at least get out of bed and get back in. Still no recall. Maybe the first time was a fluke. Or maybe it doesn't work if you try it every night. Might be best to skip a night or two between attempts.

5. 4/24/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 5:40, 0:30
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: 10, 2
Number of LDs recalled: 0
Number of non-LDs recalled: 3
Alarm type: Interval timer.
Notes: Took one Theanine capsule and put on N patch at first wake-up time. Had trouble going back to sleep after the first wake-up time, so decided not to do any more wake-ups. The non-LDs were pretty good, but were probably just induced by the supplements. The WBTB probably didn't help much. But who knows?

6. 4/25/2013.
Didn't try WBTB last night. Got my silent alarm clock, though! So will be trying that out soon. Should be a useful thing to have. Besides WBTB, could be used to get up at a predetermined time to take supplements.

7. 4/26/2013.
Tried waking up 45 minutes after going to sleep. My idea was to see if I could recall any NREM dreams. Couldn't recall any.

[johnb]

Was thinking it might be best not to set the first alarm to wake myself up sooner than 3 or 4 hours after going to sleep. That way I could finish the deep-sleep stage without interruption. Interrupting the deep-sleep stage might make one sleep more deeply later, which would be counterproductive. After the deep-sleep stage is over, I might want to wake up a few times. Maybe at half-hour to one-hour intervals.

Might also be interesting to try waking up about half an hour after first falling asleep, before going into the deepest stage of sleep. Not really sure. I should learn more about sleep stages.

[Shellidfl]

I think the first thought is the better way to go, john, IMO.

[johnb]

I think the first thought is the better way to go, john, IMO.

Most likely.