A Theory and A Study

[Lucidbulbs]

Haha, well, I guess when you have a month of seeing other people fill their DJs with those stats, people get curious, or interested, either one

I feel bad though, there were days I forgot to put down anything >.>

[pj]

No big deal... we'll use what data we have and make no assumptions about what is missing unless explicitly told otherwise.

[pj]

By the way - @LB... thanks much for the compilation.  Made things much easier.

[The Cusp]

Date:    F: S: R:  (Focus, Stress, Recall)      D: F: L:  (Dreams, Fragments, Lucids)

04   F:2 S:3 R:4    D:2 F:2 L:0
05   F:4 S:0 R:2    D:0 F:2 L:0
08   F:0 S:0 R:0    D:2 F:0 L:0
09   F:7 S:1 R:2    D:0 F:0 L:1
10   F:5 S:2 R:5    D:1 F:0 L:0
11   F:4 S:2 R:4    D:0 F:0 L:1
12   F:6 S:4 R:6    D:0 F:0 L:1

Damn, seems I didn't keep track of those as much as I thought.  Totally lost focus during the later half of the month.  Even forgot to note my sleeping positions.  I was physically exhausted.  You know when you dream your legs are heavy and you can barely move them?  That's what I felt like in RL.
That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!

I'll keep better track during the next round. 

[joshbotch]

my stats:  i used D for dicipline instead of F for focus.  the date is the recorded date the morning after so the numbers for 6.22 for example were collected all day 6.21

morning of:        stress:         lds use:                                    dicipline:       RC's:      lucid?:
6.22                  4                 yes, 8mg g+300 mg choline         3                 5           no
6.23                  2                 yes, "     "       "        "               6                 8           yes
6.24                  3                 no                                           5                 4           no
6.25                  6                 no                                           7                 5           no
6.26                  8                 no                                           4                 10         no
6.27                  3                 no                                           3                 8           no
6.28                  8                 yes, 8mg g + 300mg choline        4                 2           no
6.29                  2                 yes    "        "        "     "            6                 14          no
6.30                  0                 no                                           3                 5           no
7.1                   3                  no                                          4                  9           no
7.2                   2                  no                                          5                  1           no
7.3                   2                  yes  300mg GPC choline             6                  0           no
7.4                   4                  no                                          8                  18         no
7.5                   0                  yes 8mg g + 300mg choline        3                  5          yes
7.6                   2                  no                                          2                  3          no
7.7                   5                  no                                          2                  1          no
7.8                   2                  yes, 8mg g + 300mg choline       6                  3          no
7.9                   4                  no                                          6                  10        no
7.10                 4                  no                                          5                   7          no
7.11                 6                  no                                          6                   15        no
7.12                 1                  yes, 16mg g + 600mg choline     1                   1          yes
7.13                 0                  no                                          1                   5          no
7.14                 3                  no                                          5                   4          no
7.15                 4                  no                                          3                   2          no
7.16                 7                  no                                          6                   2          no
7.17                 8                  no                                          5                   5          no
7.18                 8                  no                                          4                   6          no
7.19                 6                  no                                          3                   4          no
7.20                 2                  no                                          2                   2          no
7.21                 8                  no                                          2                   0          no
7.22                 5                  yes, 12mg g + 600mg choline     5                   0          no
7.23                 7                  no                                          2                   1          no
7.24                 3                  no                                          2                   2          no
7.25                 2                  no                                          4                   3          no
7.26                 4                  no                                          3                   1          no
7.27                 2                  no                                          1                   0          no
7.28                 1                  yes, 16mg g + 600mg choline     4                   4          yes
7.29                 4                  no                                          5                   0          no
7.30                 2                  no                                          1                   5          no
7.31                 2                  no                                          3                   5          no

[pj]

Many thanks to both of you.  I'm adding these to my spreadsheet now.

[pj]

Josh - FWIW, I went through your journal and tallied your DLF numbers.

Why don't you use the system here to track them?  Makes data transfers much easier.

Anyway, when I make the spreadsheet available, you might want to grab it for your own numbers.

[joshbotch]

i keep forgetting to enter that... also i thought it would screw things up if i entered a lot of data all at one time... i'll try to start.

[pj]

Yes - entering it all at one time will indeed screw things up - but going back and editing days you have journal entries won't harm anything.  As long as the data input has a date associate with it, we're golden.

[Oneironaught]

I've been having some very vivid dreams and nearly every night in that time has yielded only 1 or 2 dreams. But those dreams are ones which I re-enter and continue, making them very long. Some may even be counted as multiple dreams even though I've been counting them as being only one.

Personally, I think as long as you didn't wake up, all dreams are one dream.  We just don't remember the parts that link them together.

In my case they (at least most) are interrupted by actual awakenings. This is because of the fact that I have to answer the alarm clock. Then I reset the alarm a number of times.

my stats:  i used D for dicipline instead of F for focus.  the date is the recorded date the morning after so the numbers for 6.22 for example were collected all day 6.21

Maybe I should mention that mine are dated per the night I went to sleep, not the next morning in which I awoke. But - as far as the on-site dream counter goes - I use the wake-up date, just because every one else seems to be doing it that way.

EDIT:

I'm still convinced that - as some one mentioned earlier - focus/attention during the day is a big factor. While high focus won't necessarily yield a lucid, it's always seemed to be associated with lucidity for me much more so than random would have it. And it (attention accompanied by higher odds of lucidity) does seem to occur/last over a stretch of a few days or so. Of course, that isn't a hard, fast rule but it seems to have some basis in actual results. I think.

[pj]

I'm still convinced that - as some one mentioned earlier - focus/attention during the day is a big factor. While high focus won't necessarily yield a lucid, it's always seemed to be associated with lucidity for me much more so than random would have it. And it (attention accompanied by higher odds of lucidity) does seem to occur/last over a stretch of a few days or so. Of course, that isn't a hard, fast rule but it seems to have some basis in actual results. I think.

It would sure be nice if we could prove some sort of statistical correlation.

Meanwhile, I continue the data-gathering project.  It may take a few more days.

[The Cusp]

Should I be continuing to track these factors?  The more raw data the better, right?

[Oneironaught]

I just wanted to let you know, pj, that I am still keeping track of these statistics, even though I have not updated my post lately. I'll try to get the stats posted sometime within the next week and provide a link to the new post.

[pj]

We've started a new study... check here.