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Offline skysaw

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How My DCs learned to let go, and just kiss me already
« on: December 01, 2010, 01:56:49 PM »
A Mind Of Your Own
If dream characters (DCs) are a projection of our subconscious, why do they always seem to have a mind of their own?

Over the years, I've seen this question addressed a number of times on these forums. It seems a contradiction at first, but upon further reflection it shouldn't be all that surprising. Our thoughts and desires are complex, and our minds hold simultaneous competing and conflicting needs and beliefs all the time. Any decision we ponder could be viewed as two or more competing parts of our minds battling it out for dominance:

Should I forgive my brother or tell him off?
Should I eat a healthy lunch, or go for that amazing looking pizza?
I need to go to the bathroom, but I really don't want to pause in the middle of this scene on TV
Is this job worth the ulcer it's giving me?


I like to think that these competing sides sometimes manifest themselves as DCs. In the case of a seemingly non-cooperative DC, you have a goal in mind but he wants something mutually exclusive from that goal. The same battles waged while awake continue in the dream world, but now the conflicting need is fully manifested as a believable personality. Or maybe the DC is just completely disinterested because she represents that part of you that really wanted to paint a picture today. I like to celebrate these encounters as discoveries about myself. I think it's amazing and useful that we can hold completely contradictory ideas in our heads.

On the other hand, sometimes it's just annoying. We find ourselves completely lucid in a dream, and nobody wants to make it easy for us. If what you want is to be able to modify their behavior, or bring them around to your point of view, what can you do?

Test Case: Make-Out Night
A week ago, I had a night jam-packed with short LDs. For the most part, my sleep was fitful, and I woke many, many times. And each time I fell back asleep I continued my LD or went directly into another one. I have no idea how many times this happened, but probably at least 15 times. The pattern became very predictable. I wouldn't be able to do anything huge, but I could do a whole lot of small stuff!

So I started doing what I normally do when I haven't otherwise thought out what to do in my next LD: meeting women. And in this case, a lot of women. They were all different -- each seeming so detailed, unique, and alive. Some were friendly, some unfriendly, some indifferent.  I asked each their name, and tried to get them to kiss me. Some did, reluctantly or enthusiastically -- others turned away. But what I was interested in was the effectiveness of my different approaches.

This is the part where I tell you what worked in my brain, and I make no promises for yours. But I'd love to hear of anyone else's experiences here. And please excuse me for seeming so shallow for trying to get helpless DCs to succumb to my desires... it's just the nature of the dreamworld sometimes. I think this logically extends to many dreams of a "non-kissing" nature as well.

The Heart Of The Matter: How To Get That Kiss
You can be excused for skipping ahead to this section, considering my long preamble. Some of the dream women went right for the kiss, but for the more resistant ones I tried the following approaches:

1. The Quiet Grab-n-Kiss
The least effective method. Occasionally worked, but just as often ended in fear or revulsion.

2. The Suggestion
"You should kiss me" worked better, but only if there was already a bit of a rapport.

3. The Demand
"Kiss me!" was hit-or-miss. About as effective as #2, but could really turn them against me if the answer was no.

4. Transferring the Desire
By far, the best approach was to smile and say "You want to kiss me." I offered it to the DCs not in the manner of a hypnotist implanting an idea, but rather as if it were a reminder of something they already knew. This worked every time, and even worked a couple of times after a previous approach had failed on the same woman.

I'm thinking this really demonstrates the power of stating something as a fact when attempting to affect the dreamworld. It reminds me of my attempts to get better at improving the lighting of a dark dream. Nothing seemed to work too well for me until I tried confidently saying out loud "The sun will rise in 10 seconds." It also helped me locate an old friend when I said "she is behind this tree."

The takeaway -- if you want something to change in your dream, try simply telling yourself (or your DCs) that it is already so. Works for me!
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Re: How My DCs learned to let go, and just kiss me already
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 06:19:34 PM »
Ahh, how interesting. I had never had a problem getting DC to do what I wanted (even if I never thought of what I wanted, it just happened....). Anyway, until the other day. When someone I was kissing wouldn't go any further, I was so annoyed with this. Which I find to just be funny in waking life. =P Next time I will try telling my dream or DC exactly what is happening. I'll get back to you... =) (that is if I can ever get lucid again!)
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Re: How My DCs learned to let go, and just kiss me already
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Re: How My DCs learned to let go, and just kiss me already
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 12:17:03 PM »
Thanks for the replies. I wasn't really sure how people would read this post, since it's a bit of a hodge-podge. Glad it's got you thinking.

For me, I'm mostly fascinated by how our personalities are made of countless "sub-personalities," each with their own motivations and influence. I think of these sub-personalities as living together in a hierarchy going all the way down to "the one that moves the left pinky finger" and "the one that wants to eat crunchy foods."

I have a theory that having multiple personality disorder differs very little from not having it. I believe we all have multiple personalities that come together to make a conglomeration that is our "top level" self. The disorder may be just one that gives voice to some of the lower level personalities. I also think this might somewhat explain things like Alien Hand Syndrome or even Body Integrity Identity Disorder.

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Re: How My DCs learned to let go, and just kiss me already
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 01:52:04 PM »
4. Transferring the Desire
By far, the best approach was to smile and say "You want to kiss me." I offered it to the DCs not in the manner of a hypnotist implanting an idea, but rather as if it were a reminder of something they already knew. This worked every time, and even worked a couple of times after a previous approach had failed on the same woman.

I wonder how real women would react to this!  :content:

I have a habit of killing off the other inner people through meditation, now you have made me feel bad about it. I just realised something, maybe the reason i don't have many DC's is because i killed them all off  :o

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Re: How My DCs learned to let go, and just kiss me already
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 05:54:05 PM »
I have a habit of killing off the other inner people through meditation, now you have made me feel bad about it. I just realised something, maybe the reason i don't have many DC's is because i killed them all off  :o

That is rad. I must try this.
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Re: How My DCs learned to let go, and just kiss me already
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Re: How My DCs learned to let go, and just kiss me already
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2015, 04:52:54 PM »
If dream characters (DCs) are a projection of our subconscious, why do they always seem to have a mind of their own?
This is an old post, but I can't help but add my thoughts.

You know, I don't think I've ever considered this question for myself. I suspect this is probably because I believe that every person is made up of two things: the body, and the spirit. The two are almost always in conflict with one another and the goal of life and the purpose for being sent here is to overcome the mortal and carnal urges of the body. Eventually they will be combined into one. And I guess that I just assumed that it was the same for dreams as well. The subconscious is interesting precisely for the fact that we don't know what's going on in it, because "we" reside in the conscious mind. Like how our brains control our breathing and blinking even when we aren't paying attention to those things.
I am continually fascinated by the subconscious, by the parts of me that I can't always see or control.
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