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Offline johnb

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Re: Multiple WBTBs using an alarm clock
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2013, 04:08:16 PM »
I would love to have something work more regularly than my attempts at WILDs and my 2x/week attempts at supps.

Yes. Would be good. This might not work regularly, if it works much at all. But I like the theory of it. Altering the sleep cycle.

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If I do get a vibrating ALARM clock that I can strap on ( :D), I am going to do some experimenting as well with this method.  
Keep us up to date. :goodidea:

Just ordered one myself.
In the secret space of dreams
Where I dreaming lay amazed
When the secrets all are told
And the petals all unfold
When there was no dream of mine
You dreamed of me.
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Re: Multiple WBTBs using an alarm clock
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2013, 04:22:01 PM »
I like the look (and the price) of the Shake n Wake device.
I noticed further down on Amazon.ca a similar product...
http://www.amazon.ca/Silent-Vibrating-Alarm-Tracker-852476003005/dp/B0058DBX5U/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_6/179-0890222-1583605

Would this work like a Zeo?

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LARK Silent Vibrating Alarm Clock and Sleep Tracker
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2013, 04:32:48 PM »
I like the look (and the price) of the Shake n Wake device.
I noticed further down on Amazon.ca a similar product...
http://www.amazon.ca/Silent-Vibrating-Alarm-Tracker-852476003005/dp/B0058DBX5U/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_6/179-0890222-1583605

Would this work like a Zeo?

I think the LARK is similar to Zeo, except it doesn't measure brain waves. It's based on motion sensing. If you don't move around much it assumes you're in a deep-sleep state. Which isn't always the case.

OTOH, I'd rather wear something on my wrist than around my head. Not sure how comfortable that Zeo headband is.
In the secret space of dreams
Where I dreaming lay amazed
When the secrets all are told
And the petals all unfold
When there was no dream of mine
You dreamed of me.
-- from Attics of My Life, by Robert Hunter

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Record of attempts
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2013, 12:09:33 PM »
1. 4/20/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 3:00, 2:00
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: ~ 2
Number of LDs recalled: 1
Number of non-LDs recalled: 0
Alarm type: Regular alarm clock.
Notes: Took Theanine capsule before going to bed.

2. 4/21/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 1:40, 1:40, 1:40, ...
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: ~ 2
Number of LDs recalled: 0
Number of non-LDs recalled: 0
Alarm type: Interval timer, with vibrating alarm.
Notes: No supplements. Interval timer didn't wake me up.

3. 4/22/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 1:30, 1:00, 1:00, 1:00
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: ~ 2
Number of LDs recalled: 0
Number of non-LDs recalled: 0
Alarm type: Regular alarm clock.
Notes: No supplements. Each time I woke up, I tried to write down what I had been dreaming about.

4. 4/23/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 3:30, 1:30, 1:30, 1:30
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: ~ 1 (or less)
Number of LDs recalled: 0
Number of non-LDs recalled: 0
Alarm type: Interval timer.
Notes: Interval timer worked much better this time. Took Theanine capsule after first alarm went off. Each time I woke up, I tried to write down what I had been dreaming about. But couldn't remember enough to write down. Sometimes I just woke up and went right back to sleep. Probably should at least get out of bed and get back in. Still no recall. Maybe the first time was a fluke. Or maybe it doesn't work if you try it every night. Might be best to skip a night or two between attempts.

5. 4/24/2013.
Sleep intervals between alarms (hrs:min): 5:40, 0:30
Minutes stayed awake after each alarm: 10, 2
Number of LDs recalled: 0
Number of non-LDs recalled: 3
Alarm type: Interval timer.
Notes: Took one Theanine capsule and put on N patch at first wake-up time. Had trouble going back to sleep after the first wake-up time, so decided not to do any more wake-ups. The non-LDs were pretty good, but were probably just induced by the supplements. The WBTB probably didn't help much. But who knows?

6. 4/25/2013.
Didn't try WBTB last night. Got my silent alarm clock, though! So will be trying that out soon. Should be a useful thing to have. Besides WBTB, could be used to get up at a predetermined time to take supplements.

7. 4/26/2013.
Tried waking up 45 minutes after going to sleep. My idea was to see if I could recall any NREM dreams. Couldn't recall any.

« Last Edit: April 26, 2013, 12:47:04 PM by johnb »
In the secret space of dreams
Where I dreaming lay amazed
When the secrets all are told
And the petals all unfold
When there was no dream of mine
You dreamed of me.
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Sleep stages
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2013, 02:15:42 PM »
Was thinking it might be best not to set the first alarm to wake myself up sooner than 3 or 4 hours after going to sleep. That way I could finish the deep-sleep stage without interruption. Interrupting the deep-sleep stage might make one sleep more deeply later, which would be counterproductive. After the deep-sleep stage is over, I might want to wake up a few times. Maybe at half-hour to one-hour intervals.

Might also be interesting to try waking up about half an hour after first falling asleep, before going into the deepest stage of sleep. Not really sure. I should learn more about sleep stages.
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When the secrets all are told
And the petals all unfold
When there was no dream of mine
You dreamed of me.
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Re: Multiple WBTBs using an alarm clock
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2013, 02:16:57 PM »
I think the first thought is the better way to go, john, IMO.

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Re: Multiple WBTBs using an alarm clock
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2013, 06:29:53 PM »
I think the first thought is the better way to go, john, IMO.

Most likely.
In the secret space of dreams
Where I dreaming lay amazed
When the secrets all are told
And the petals all unfold
When there was no dream of mine
You dreamed of me.
-- from Attics of My Life, by Robert Hunter