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Light - ILD
« on: May 27, 2008, 10:09:40 PM »
I've had this idea for a while, but unfortunately haven't been able to try it.  If I have extra time in the mornings, sometimes I will lay on my bed after eating breakfast with the lights on.  My eyelids feel heavy and want to close, and I fall asleep really, really fast.  It seems like this would be the ideal time for a WILD, but everyone always says to sleep in the dark.  Is there a reason for that?  I might try it tonight, only waking up at night on purpose instead. 
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Re: Light - ILD
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2008, 06:05:51 PM »
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but everyone always says to sleep in the dark.

I have had some of my most profound experiences during the daylight hours.  Once when I was experimenting with mediating with my eyes open I had a really wild and profound experience of cosmic consciousness.

Listen to others experiences but realize that you are the one who makes up the rules for you.

The experimenting is a lot if not most of the fun. Find out what works for you.
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Re: Light - ILD
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2008, 08:51:05 PM »
Yea, I'm just starting to experiment, but so far nothing has worked.

Well, I went to bed around 10:30 last night, and woke up naturally at 3:20.  I had to use the bathroom, so I tried my idea.  I got a quick snack and did some of my HW to wake up a bit.  Then I tried to sleep with the lights on.   :-\ Nothing really happened and I gave up after 30 minutes, because when I did this before I fell asleep in at least 15 min.  Maybe next time I shouldn't do any HW  ...And now that I think of it, this is basically a WBTB with Light, then any WILD technique to get lucid.  I'll keep trying, and post something if I ever get it to work. 

However, I would still like to know if there is any scientific reason for sleeping with the lights off.  :P
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Re: Light - ILD
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2008, 09:02:32 PM »
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However, I would still like to know if there is any scientific reason for sleeping with the lights off.  Tongue

I think that there are studies linking light as a cue to the sleep cycle .  I can't quote any thing and I am to lazy to Google it.  ;-D
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Re: Light - ILD
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2008, 07:14:15 AM »
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However, I would still like to know if there is any scientific reason for sleeping with the lights off.

I think it's because when you WILD, sometimes your eyes don't stay completely closed. If it's dark, you can't really tell; but if it's light then it might mess you up.
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Re: Light - ILD
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2008, 09:44:50 AM »
There has been considerable research done on sleep and it is ongoing and there has been a recent book on the topic that I read yet I cannot accept many of the findings. It may well be that darkness is beneficial and research attempts to prove this but subjectively, I find that I can sleep anywhere when tired whether in light or darkness and still feel refreshed afterwards.

I am mostly awake after 6 hours sleep and if I slumber on until say having had 7 hours then I am liable to suffer from a headache so about 6.5 hours is my optimum. In one experiment the researchers shone a light on the dreamer's leg to which the dreamer reacted and the instruments indicated that the dreamer came out of a deep sleep; it was then deduced from this that light disturbs the sleep cycle. All that I can say is, try telling this to the marines because this guy can see too many fissures in this conclusion.

The further north (or south) we are geographically located the more liable we are to the midnight sun or its effect during summer months; did then nature intend us to draw blinds and place ourselves in complete darkness; it does sound doubtful. Whatever scientific instruments indicate I remain convinced that nature is our best mentor.

Here is one of many URLs on the topic of sleep: http://www.sleepnet.com/research.htm
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Re: Light - ILD
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 12:45:54 AM »
I think that there are studies linking light as a cue to the sleep cycle .  I can't quote any thing and I am to lazy to Google it.  ;-D

That's what I would assume.  I don't blame you for not quoting anything, I'm quite lazy myself.  :yawn:

I think it's because when you WILD, sometimes your eyes don't stay completely closed. If it's dark, you can't really tell; but if it's light then it might mess you up.

I can see how that could mess you up.  However, I failed to mention that I was actually trying to keep my eyes open and stay awake, so I wouldn't be late for school.  :P   So the light  shouldn't affect it, unless what dallyup said is true.

Jennings:  I completely agree.  Sleeping during light isn't any different for me as well, and I am also very groggy if I oversleep.  Excellent link, too. 

Thanks for your input everyone!  :)
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Re: Light - ILD
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2008, 05:06:38 PM »
I've used the "Suneye" method to achieve lucid dreams and this method states that you should sleep with some light in the room as it helps you sleep less deeply which helps you to become lucid. I actually found that my lucids were brighter when I slept with the lights on but dimmed.

The Suneye method also involves using your third eye.

Here's a zip of the PDFs on how to do the method:
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Re: Light - ILD
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 06:52:10 PM »
I've used the "Suneye" method to achieve lucid dreams and this method states that you should sleep with some light in the room as it helps you sleep less deeply which helps you to become lucid. I actually found that my lucids were brighter when I slept with the lights on but dimmed.

The Suneye method also involves using your third eye.

Here's a zip of the PDFs on how to do the method:
www.saltcube.com/img/SUNEYE_Method.zip



That's interesting that your dreams were brighter.  Thanks for the Suneye method too, I'll give it a try once school is out. 
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