Workshops and Projects > Back to Basics Workshop -- May 2008
09a Question: Why don't induction techniques don't work for me?
Burned up:
OK I'll start.
My LDs are random events and usually short-duration.
I have never been able to WILD, MILD, DILD or anything like that. Not a single induced lucid. Ever.
The more I try, the worse my recall gets so I'm reluctant to try hard at all (and won't for a short while).
Could it be that I will never have an induced LD? Any top tips?
Seeker:
OK, you've really got two related, but separate issues here, so let's talk about the separately.
--- Quote from: Burned up ---OK I'll start.
My LDs are random events and usually short-duration.
Could it be that I will never have an induced LD? Any top tips?
--- End quote ---
First off, everyone is an individual and different. Some are natural LD'ers, some are not. Myself, I am a poster child for lucid dreaming. Unless I really work at it, I just don't have many, perhaps you are like me.
I'm sorry I don't know this, but how long have you been working at it? Also, I'd like to ask a couple of questions.
1) What time of the night do you have LD's?
2) What is your sleeping environment like?
3) What time do you go to bed and how much sleep do you get?
I don't know, how long have you been working on LD?
--- Quote from: Burned up ---I have never been able to WILD, MILD, DILD or anything like that. Not a single induced lucid. Ever.
The more I try, the worse my recall gets so I'm reluctant to try hard at all (and won't for a short while).
--- End quote ---
This is a new one on me, I've never heard of induction methods causing problems with recall. Usually, the opposite is true. I have a hunch though that what you are doing or your mental state or anziety level is causing the problem. Let's try an exercise.
For the next days, while doing your induction techniques, try to keep detailed notes. Keep up with the technique you are trying, your mental state, anxiety level and so on. Also at night, log what time you try the technique, the time you go to bed, and any times you get up during the night. You can keep all of this in your bedside or bathroom dream journal if you wish.
I hope with a little more information, we can find some clues.
Burned up:
--- Quote from: Seeker on May 25, 2008, 10:50:28 AM ---OK, you've really got two related, but separate issues here, so let's talk about the separately.
--- Quote from: Burned up ---OK I'll start.
My LDs are random events and usually short-duration.
Could it be that I will never have an induced LD? Any top tips?
--- End quote ---
First off, everyone is an individual and different. Some are natural LD'ers, some are not. Myself, I am a poster child for lucid dreaming. Unless I really work at it, I just don't have many, perhaps you are like me.
I'm sorry I don't know this, but how long have you been working at it? Also, I'd like to ask a couple of questions.
1) What time of the night do you have LD's?
--- End quote ---
Usually at the end of sleep or when dozing before finally getting up.
--- Quote from: Seeker on May 25, 2008, 10:50:28 AM ---2) What is your sleeping environment like?
--- End quote ---
Me and Mrs Bu in a double bed. Generally quiet.
--- Quote from: Seeker on May 25, 2008, 10:50:28 AM ---3) What time do you go to bed and how much sleep do you get?
--- End quote ---
1100-1130pm usually. 7 or even 8 hours typically. Rarely in one stretch. Usually wake at least once (which is good for recall).
--- Quote from: Seeker on May 25, 2008, 10:50:28 AM ---I don't know, how long have you been working on LD?
--- End quote ---
"Working" is perhaps an over-statement. I've been trying on and off for 6 months or so but more determined during May.
--- Quote from: Seeker on May 25, 2008, 10:50:28 AM ---
--- Quote from: Burned up ---I have never been able to WILD, MILD, DILD or anything like that. Not a single induced lucid. Ever.
The more I try, the worse my recall gets so I'm reluctant to try hard at all (and won't for a short while).
--- End quote ---
This is a new one on me, I've never heard of induction methods causing problems with recall. Usually, the opposite is true. I have a hunch though that what you are doing or your mental state or anziety level is causing the problem. Let's try an exercise.
For the next days, while doing your induction techniques, try to keep detailed notes. Keep up with the technique you are trying, your mental state, anxiety level and so on. Also at night, log what time you try the technique, the time you go to bed, and any times you get up during the night. You can keep all of this in your bedside or bathroom dream journal if you wish.
I hope with a little more information, we can find some clues.
--- End quote ---
Thanks Seeker. I'll do that. I'll stick with DILD where I think I may stand a chance catching what I call a "WTF moment". I'm trying to RC every time something weird or coincidental happens IRL. My attempts to RC are pretty bad during the day and non-existent in dreams (apart from when I already know I'm lucid).
iadr:
--- Quote from: Burned up on May 24, 2008, 01:23:49 PM ---My LDs are random events and usually short-duration.
--- End quote ---
Have you considered trying any supplements like galantamine?
Before I started using galantamine my lucids which usually lasted about a minute or two, and I usually had no control.
With galantamine though I've been able to have lucids lasting up to 2 hours with perfect control and mind set of what I want to do.
The supplements just make me aware that I am dreaming.
You just have to find the right combination, because too much of it can keep you awake all night.
dallyup52:
Galantamine is very powerful
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