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About Staff. . .
« on: December 15, 2009, 03:19:49 PM »
Ok - here goes.

One of the things I've personally been averse to even discussing is the creation of any sort of "privileged classes" here.  Frankly, I don't even like carrying the title "administrator", as it implies something that really isn't and certainly shouldn't be true.  (I feel that our titles should be changed to something else that better indicates our roles as technical facilitators rather than some sort of rulers and overlords.  The term "administrator" is perfectly accurate from a plain English standpoint, but not in the context of online communities.)

The only "special class" we have here are the Ambassadors.  We (I) created the Ambassadors as a lark for one of the first few members who came in here and complained (jokingly) that he didn't have stars.  The Ambassadors actually became somewhat functional for a time, as they were translating the content of our original front page into many different languages.  Other than that, there are no special powers or privileges for Ambassadors.  Even their forum, The United Nations, is wide open to the public - and is one of those boards that doesn't really serve any purpose here anymore.

It is an awesome thing that we can manage to carry on here without moderators - in other words, without a police force or babysitters.  In fact, everybody here has full Mod privs over themselves, if you think about it.  Each member-owner owns all their content and can forever edit and delete and lock their own threads.  Every member-owner has an admin panel and can change and edit the News Flasher.  Mu is currently working on an integrated system to add the ability to directly maintain the front pages through standard forum interfaces.

At the same time, there are many here who are willing and able to take on special responsibilities.  Those responsibilities don't entail control over the material of other people - in other words, they have nothing to do with traditional Moderator roles.  And yet people absolutely deserve recognition and, as the administrative roles here continue to be disbursed more widely, it is going to become harder and harder to know who to go to in order to get things done.  And, as we are discussing in the Newb Dilemma thread, it is obvious that there is a LOT needing to be done.  In order to get it done, we need to be able to recognize those doing the doing and start moving the perception of responsibility further away from the admin team - who really aren't here to be project managers.  But we DO need project managers!

Currently under discussion is the possibility of creating something like the old Dream Guides at DV.  I cringe at this for a couple reasons.  First is the idea of separating out a group of people here who are more responsible than others for taking care of the Newbs coming in.  It seems to me like that should be everybody's job!  

The second and probably deeper reason is because the creation of a specially recognized class creates a goal - a reason for people to be here besides a love for the community and for Lucid Dreaming.  This one is difficult to convey, so please try to bear with me.  Many of us enjoyed the privileged positions of responsibility back at DV, along with access to the private and secret forums that went along with them.  This created a hierarchical arrangement - the Admins, followed by the Mods, followed by the Dream Guides, followed by the select Community Members.  All served The Owner - though for a good part of our time there, The Owner was absent and there was only one real Admin, Seeker, whose love and dedication to the forum shaped pretty much everything that went on.  We were all working very happily for a benevolent dictator. . . a man we all loved and trusted.  When his "lordship" was usurped by a more active owner with an agenda that had little to do with lucid dreaming, everything changed.

Mortal Mist was created in part as the Anti-Whatever-DV-Had Become.  Rather than an owner holding copyright to everything posted there and being able to sell it and exploit it for profit, we started right from the beginning with member ownership.  The role of Moderator was expanded to everybody - but only over themselves.  The Admin role was spread out among six of us, so nobody ended up getting overwhelmed with any one aspect of the technical side of managing the systems.  The focus here is Lucid Dreaming, not rising to power and privilege in a hierarchy.  We weren't trying to be what DV once was - we were working on something quite different and unique.

And yet we now find ourselves floundering - in some regards because we do not have staff.

I have expressed my positions on this matter as best as I know how.  The community belongs to you, the member-owners, not to me or to the admin team.  So what would you, the community, like to do?  How do we establish positions of responsibility without creating a hierarchical system of special privilege and power?  Or is it time to scrap that whole notion, in whole or in part?
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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 04:06:06 PM »
While reading you post pj, the concept of 'the guild' came into mind, specifically the old craft guilds of Europe.  I wonder if we can use that concept as a starting point.

Organizers guild - Would replace admin team
Welcomers guild - Possible dream guide function
Ambassadors guild - Current ambassadors
Technical guild - People working on the forum software
Writers guild - For them that can write good.
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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 04:16:38 PM »
The absence of hierarchy is one of the main pillars of MM, and should be kept that way. We are a small community, where every and each one moderates himself. There is no need for staff.
How do we establish positions of responsibility? We don't. Each one volunteers and takes that responsibility.
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It seems to me like that should be everybody's job! 
Anyone would be able to take a newbie into his guard and guidance. It would be up to each one to be, or not, a guide for someone. Again, here, each one would self-moderate oneself.
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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 04:23:57 PM »
I like Seeker's idea.  :goodjob:

When I suggested DGs here I didn't mean for it to be a level of authority or class to be attained. My thinking was more of a voluntary thing, an official group of volunteers who took it upon themselves to go out of their way to help new member ease into MM. A handful of people who could be listed in the welcome zone as official go to's. As of now, a new member might feel intimidated to ask any random member questions about the site.  A list of available welcomers might help newbs out a bit.
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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 04:31:18 PM »
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When I suggested DGs here I didn't mean for it to be a level of authority or class to be attained.
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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 04:31:55 PM »
Good points and good thoughts.  Thank you for taking the trouble to decipher my concerns up there.

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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 04:36:24 PM »
I agree with you pj, and I also like Seeker's idea. :) I don't really want any more "staff" positions than we already have. I'd rather see some kind of "newbie/beginner questions" forum section like Seeker's corner, but for all experienced MM members to help out in. That way, newbies know just where to ask. I think I'd also like a kind of mentoring program/option similar to the old DV adoption program where an experienced lucid dreamer can take a beginner under their wing.

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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 05:03:38 PM »
I agree that all experienced members should be helping the new members get cozy here but some people are better at that than others. And some people just don't have the time. We all could pop in and answer questions in a Q&A forum but a welcoming guild would go beyond that, hopefully kindling friendships with the new members instead of simply informing them. Almost like the adoption program but not as intensive.

What about chat? Would it be possible to work up some kind of weekly chat with new members, get to know each other? I'm not much of a chatter but those who are might benefit from a regularly scheduled chat session. Just a thought.

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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 05:09:27 PM »
This seems to be gravitating to a consolidated concern. We are not newbie friendly, and perhaps there should be people who go out of their way to guide newbies, as a sort of formal responsibility.

I went to Seekers corner today. Hadn't been there in ages. It's quiet. I think the first challenge is one of advertising. I had forgotten what Seekers corner even is. I hate to say it, but it might need a more appropriate name. Also, newbies would need to be pointed there early. For example, is there any kind of welcome mail or message that points new people to the forums for the less experienced?

At any rate, titles aside, I would be very willing to take on a role of searching a particular forum once a day and directing people or otherwise offering my fairly broad perspective on LDing in order to help new dreamers quickly come up to speed on some of the cool stuff happening here so they can make the most of it.
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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 05:15:17 PM »
Also, newbies would need to be pointed there early. For example, is there any kind of welcome mail or message that points new people to the forums for the less experienced?
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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 06:07:40 PM »
Been thinking about the Guild idea for an hour now.

I kinda like it.  For me, I don't belong in an Organizer's Guild - my true role here would be the Technical Guild.

Being in a "guild" could be no more than a title in terms of privilege, really.  It is a way to recognize the responsibility people are willing to carry.  Newbs, for example, would know they were encouraged to seek out a Welcomer, not because they were specially empowered but rather because they agreed to be completely open to that and to take responsibility for helping newbs get their feet planted here.

Personally, I wouldn't want to see private forums for each guild - though we would still need to use The Locker Room for those matters that could involve security risks.  Guild forums could exist, but I think they should be open to everybody.  The Technical people would still be the ones creating various functional groups to grant access to the levers and switches needed for each various group.

The key difference is that guild members would be recognized for accepting certain responsibilities rather than for being empowered or specially privileged.

I'm going to need to think on this more, but that's my impression after the first hour's consideration.

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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 06:23:44 PM »
Oh, a Mortal Mist boot camp. Line 'em all up and whip 'em all into shape.
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Okay, one thing I've been thinking of, and I'm sure it would fit into the guild idea (which I like, by the way), is training a few liaisons (or perhaps oracles).  I know pj as been wanting to get the community out of the habit of going to him for everything every time they want to help, so a few people could be trained to take that place. There would only need to be a few, and they should be able to direct any questions about how people can help (what needs to be done, what it would take for an idea to be put in place, etc).  I'm thinking something like this:

Technical Oracle - Would know the basic ins and outs of the forum software as well as any mods we've got installed.  Would be able to answer questions about how things work as well as what it would take for something to be put in place, what needs to be done, and who is doing what projects.  Towards the last point, a list should be kept somewhere of who is working on what, so everyone knows what is already being worked on.

Editorial Oracle - Would know the basics of webmastery and how to design a site that is functional and not confusing.  Would be able to tell people who want to help what needs to be written, what can be translated, and what needs to be illustrated.  Basically the same as the Tech, but for the content side of things.  Also should maintain a list of who is doing what projects, probably in a thread somewhere.

What are your opinions on this?  It wouldn't be a position of authority, but a person (group of people) that are there to point people in the right direction from new members up to old members who want to help out but don't know what they can do. (Note: I suggested oracle as the title simply because they would be the bridges between the members and the 'spirit world' of MM.)

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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 06:26:04 PM »
Being in a "guild" could be no more than a title in terms of privilege, really.  It is a way to recognize the responsibility people are willing to carry.  Newbs, for example, would know they were encouraged to seek out a Welcomer, not because they were specially empowered but rather because they agreed to be completely open to that and to take responsibility for helping newbs get their feet planted here.
Perhaps one could use the custom titles? One that wanted to guide others and was willing to take that responsibility would simply change the custom title, and newbies would be instructed to seek out for them.

Personally, I wouldn't want to see private forums for each guild - though we would still need to use The Locker Room for those matters that could involve security risks. 
These would only make the structure more confusing

The key difference is that guild members would be recognized for accepting certain responsibilities rather than for being empowered or specially privileged.
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What are your opinions on this?  It wouldn't be a position of authority, but a person (group of people) that are there to point people in the right direction from new members up to old members who want to help out but don't know what they can do.
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Re: About Staff. . .
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Re: About Staff. . .
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 09:36:58 PM »
Yep, guild membership open to anyone that wanted to join one.  Some projects will take cooperation between guilds.  For example, multi-media tutorials in multi-languages will need writers, ambassadors, technical.

Yeah, I kind of agree with the Seekers corner rename.  Something more along the lines of what I intended it to be, a place where new members can come to learn to lucid dream.  Any ideas on a good name?
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