DC Investigations - DrT's Journal

[DrTechnical]

Trying to keep it simple. Using my DC wife K to try to make some progress. She is in many of my non-lucids which makes her an ideal candidate. Plus I can almost always conjure her in my lucids.



CES induced (+ day 2 ADR cycle, haven't used in many months)

Convincing K To Get Me Lucid in the Future (part 1)

After reviewing my goal for a while, I finally get back to sleep. I have a brief non-lucid or two. I find myself on the couch but realize all is not correct. Am I dreaming? I sit up, a little groggy and look at the clock. Just a blur. Yep, dreaming.

I feel very light and proceed to float off the ground some. My bodily control is poor. However, my goal is very clear. I start reaching for things to pull myself across the rooms and upstairs. When I make it to the MBR, I realize my mouth is very dry and try to producr whatever saliva I can so I can have a reasonablly easy conversation.  I shake my wifes leg and wake her:

Me:  Honey, are you up?
K:    Yeah, what's wrong?
Me:  I need to talk with you. I figured it out.
K:    Figured what out, what are you talking about (slightly pissed).
Me:  I figured out the big secret.
K:    What big secret? You know, I'm very worried about you.
Me:  The big secret. That you're just a dream character, nothing more than a projection of my mind.
K:    So (she sounds disappointed, like it devalues her in some way)?
Me:  No, it's OK. That's great actually.

At around this time, I have better bodily control, the scene is more stable and I realize K is in a blue frilly nighty and her hair is shorter and curlier than usual. She looks very nice.

Me:  Well here's the thing. Since you're a DC, you can get me lucid in the future.
K:     I guess?

By now, I feel I've made progress. I also notice she has no panties on. I get distracted. Perhaps this was my sub-conscious putting up a barrier to continued progress here?

I pull her down the bed, and I start working it a little to get her further in the mood  

I wake.


Analysis:

This was good progress. I got her to buy into the concept (she didn't give any push back on being a DC, nor did she balk at the notion of helping me in future dreams). I want to keep working this basic direction and theme. I want to get to the point where I discuss "the big secret" and she blurts out "OK, I'll try to get you lucid in some of your dreams". I plan to brow beat her again and again until she is taking some initiative here, agrees and maybe even offers some insights into how to proceed.

Another thought which occurs to me is convincing my DC wife that we (C and SC processes) can accomplish something together. "Think of the possibilities". That way there is something potentially in it for my subconscious mind as well. The SC is very tricky. I will need to rationalize with it in ways previously unexplored.

Interesting, how I got pulled into a sexual thing at the end. Yes, this was clearly my SC trying to distract me. Unsure as to how to proceed here. It seems OK to make incremental progress and then have some fun, I guess?

[DrTechnical]

Questions/goals summary:

1) Get K to offer without prompting (or limited prompting) that she is a DC, and she knows I'm here to discuss this issue with her.

2) Work on convincing her that we can accomplish something together (C and SC meeting of the minds). Stated otherwise, ask her what I can do for her (introduce some reciprocity).

3) Ask her if she represents the totallity of my SC, or just a component. If the latter, ask her which other DC's represent the other pieces so we can all synchronize our goals here.

[StarSeeker]

Something worth following.

[Sunshine]

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[DrTechnical]

2/15/10:

Reviewed with dream K, that she's a DC and I want her to help me get lucid in the future. She passively agrees.

I ask her what I can do for her, and she asks for BHU tea. Oddly, there is a RL ayurvedic shop of that name which I was previously unaware of:

www.bhutea.com

[DrTechnical]

Lucid from 2/18/10

Working with my Subconscious (part 5)

After several failed transition attempts, I am again trying to induce some vibrations. I feel a very subtle shift and feel I may be dreaming again. I flip off the couch and have trouble moving. Obviously dreaming.

I use various objects to pull myself along. The scene is not well formed, but is my usual starting point, the TV room. I make my way upstairs. The door to the bedroom is 3/4 closed. As soon as I get to it the scene cohension improves and I ask my main question:

Me: Honey, when you mentioned BHU tea the other day, where you expressing interest in that precise tea, Ayurvedic medicine or tea in general, or just proposing a more healthy life style?

K: What?

Me:  I repeat the same exact question.

K: Well, to be honest, I haven't even been drinking any mint tea lately.

I immediately interpret this as a lack of interest on the subject in general. K continues to pull the sheets off the bed, as if she's planning to do laundry. I get her to stop.

Me: I just wanted you to know that I did follow-up on your request last time. I want to do something for you as well. I have another question that's important. Do you represent the totality of my subconscious or just a piece of it.

K: (looks at me in a very knowing way) I'm your entire subconscious.

At this point, she seems very glad that I've asked this question. She has a look in her eyes almost like I've told her "I love you" for the first time. We embrace.

I start to think about where to go with this all. I already got out all the questions I had planned. As is usually the case, my Id gets the better of me and I start thinking about sex. Maybe a BJ. I wake.


This is all most interesting. The end scene where we embrace, and I start thinking about sex is very telling. Sexual thoughts have ended most of these dreams so far. The connection we seem to have made at the end where she seems pleased to answer my question on what she represents, implies a new found intimacy with my subconscious. Like I have somehow been ignoring the relevance of it. This parallels my relation with my wife in some sense.

I think the message here is that my subconscious appreciates my interest in deepening our understanding (C and SC minds). Sex or pysical pleasure obviously plays no part here.

I think my go forward plan needs to flow as:

1) continue to get K's buy in for her role in representing my subconscious and her interest in discussing this relation.

2) Ask her if she represents the totality of my SC, then what are other DC's? Are they just different manifestations of my SC, but fundamentally the same thing - just different in appearance? If so, are they "in" on any discussion and agreements that K and I have?

3) I want to continue to offer my SC some choice here, and help it guide where we go. I think there are two areas of potential interest:

3a) See if my SC is interersted in getting me lucid more often, via DC's or dream content.

3b) Perhaps my SC would like to help me explore connections to PSI phenomenon. This is a most interesting possible direction. Why would my SC have pulled BHU tea out of the blue like that? Isn't it trying to help me see a connection it has with info I can't possibly know via normal mechanisms?

I think it's important to give my SC a choice here.

[DrTechnical]

G/C night. Not as productive or focused - though I did easily remember my tasks.


Trying to Hone in on What My SC Prefers

I have a strong series of vibrations. I get up and have some difficulty moving, though not too bad. Obviously dreaming. I make my way to the upstairs, sliding some on the hardwood floors. When I get to the stairwell, I effortlessly float up. I enter the MBR.

I rouse K. Right away, she starts talking about A, who was in bed all night. She starts discussing what to do about this and whether I want them to sleep in A's room for the rest of the night. I try to get her off this subject and tell her I wanted to discuss the issue of BHU Tea again. I tell her that I know why she brought this up. It wasn't meant to be a literal request. Rather, she was trying to show off some, to prove she has access to info that I don't have ... trying to get me to think of some alternatives to just using her to get lucid more often.

I get some rough agreement and acknowledgement that this is the case, though her reaction is not as strong as when she admitted to representing my entire SC. I tell her that I would be interested in her help w/ LDing, or even better yet, exploring PSI phenomenon more closely. I tell her it would be awesome if she was also interested in the PSI stuff, since I think this is where things are headed. Again, she gives me some lukewarm agreement. At this time she gets up and walks in the closet. The closet has the old wood slotted doors instead of the new mirrored ones. Then I notice my dog S is somehow trapped in the closet. She is hanging from the middle of the inside of the doors and is very paniced. I try to ignore it, knowiing this is not real. But she seems so upset that I can't help but walk over to get her unstuck. I wake.


When to Get K's PSI Help?

More vibrations and a transition. I get up and make my way back to the MBR. I wake K. A is no longer there. I start going into a long winded discussion about how I want to know when to access dream K's knowledge of the unknown. I explain that my guess is that I should restrict it to these typical in house OOBE's. Much like the dream PSI experiment w/ Zener cards, it seems reasonable to think that my transition to my dreamspace would represent a quantum thread which was very close to my RL thread.

K is totally confused by this. I continue. I explain that if I see her in a totally different situation, that scenario might be far away in quantum space. Then if I were to ask her something about the future, that future would not necessarily map into my RL reality. However, if I asked her to tell me the future during a conversation on a quantum thread close to my reality, the likelihood of that prediction coming true would seem much larger.

K has been getting undressed during this entire discussion. I become distracted. I pull down my pants and underwear and hop on top of her.  We go at it for a minute or so before I realize I aimed a little low  . I say "wow, you're taking it there like a pro". She responds "oh, no big deal". I wake ... FA.

I get up for some water. K comes down and starts to explain to me that she understands the basic point I was making. There seems to be general agreement that discussing PSI would be best during in house WILDS (OOBE's). I wake for real.


Analysis:

Hmmmm, my SC keeps distracting me (S caught on the door and more sex). Why is that?

I think my go forward plan needs to flow as:


1) continue to get K's buy in for her role in representing my subconscious and her interest in discussing this relation.

2) Ask her if she represents the totality of my SC, then what are other DC's? Are they just different manifestations of my SC, but fundamentally the same thing - just different in appearance? If so, are they "in" on any discussion and agreements that K and I have?

3) Get her to show some more enthusiasm on on wanting to help me with the dream PSI stuff.

4) Perhaps get a stronger response on her understanding of the quantum thread question.

5) Most important - perhaps challenge her to wow me with something. Show off again. Prove to me that her knowledge extends beyond what I can perceive and tell me something that will happen in the next few days, or tell me something I could not have possibly otherwise know.

[DrTechnical]

Was the Info in The Phone Call?

I am lying on the couch, when I feel it's worth while to do a sanity check of the time. Perhaps I'm dreaming? Sure enough, when I rise I have a great deal of trouble getting up and gaining control of my body. My entire left side feels weird. I almost fall once or twice but regroup and head upstairs.

When I get there, K is on the phone. She is looking out the West window and talking w/ someone. I overhear something to the effect of "yeah, he wasn't wearing his seat belt, he got in an accident and was run over my his own car". She doesn't seem upset by this per say. It's more like she's relaying a news story to a friend.

I encourage her into bed, and get her straddle me. We start kissing and caressing. I ask her if she knows why I'm here. She quickly acknowledges that she does, without defining the reason. I tell her that I'm really hoping she can tell me something which will happen in the future. We kiss some more. I'm not very genuine or passionate about the kissing though. It's more like I'm focused on getting her to offer some useful info. That level of distraction does not seem to help matters. I wake.

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When I wake, my left arm is asleep witha painful pins/needles thing going on, which explains the left side issue in the dream.

Maybe the info I was seeking was already offered in that phone call? After all, she knew why I was there.

[DrTechnical]

CES + N7

One of three lucids from 3/1/10


Confusing DC Statement

I find myself in my den, thought the scene is nto yet cohesive. Again, I touch several items to stabilize the scene. I get up and go to a blank piece of paper I had left out. I flip if twice, but there is nothing on it. I flip it one more time and there are several sentences scribbled in pencil. I forget the exact statements now, but nothing that seems relevant. I go upstairs.

When I get there, K and A are in bed. I start scratching K's back to "do something for her" (here, I probably took this too literally, sure K likes backscratching in RL, but would dream K care, being a projection of my SC?). I tell her I'm back, and I tell her it's march 1st. I then suggest that she tell me something from the future. K pauses momentarily, as if she knows all of the past/present/future and is trying mentally look up a good data point relative to 03/1/10. She kinda makes a face and hesitates.

She thinks about this and offers ... "your hernia has spread to your brain".    I wake.


Hmmm.

It's interesting how my dream wife seems to pull insights from places unknown. First the BHU tea, now the hernia reference.

I was convinced I had a hernia, though slightly higher than where you would expect an inguinal hernia to be. Higher up on the abs/thigh tie in.

I just got back from the surgeon. He didn't know what it was, but said it most certainly is not a hernia. I get a CAT scan on Fri.

Was my wife precognitively poo-pooing my self diagnosis? Even my PCP thought it was a hernia. It's "spread to my brain" in the sense that I'm over analyzing things, or blowing them out of proportion in my mind?

Weird.


Follow up:

Too much testosterone = swelling in the lymph nodes of the groin:

http://health.allrefer.com/health/groin-lump-swollen-lymph-nodes-in-the-groin.html

So the swelling going to my brain was a reference to my strong headed-ness, in exceeding recommendations on my Novadex XT, jacking up my test too high and not acting my age.

How did my DC know this.

[DrTechnical]

G/C night on 3/4/10


Well if You're My Entire Subconscious ...

I have a series of vibrations and transition. I have a lot of trouble moving but manage to relax and slowly make my way upstairs, pulling myself along at times. The light is on in the bathroom and K is upstairs.

I look at her and ask an important question. "Well, if you are my entire subconscious, then what do my other DC's represent?". She looks at me in a very confused manner. She walks toward the door and I stop her and ask her again. I remind her that this info was coming straight from her, and I explain that is she knows she's my total SC, then she must understand what the other DC's in my dreamspace represent? She answers in what appears to be gibberish, though it could be a foreign language  . I wake.

Post analysis -> perhaps I need to query other DC's on their status and she doesn't see the need or appropriateness to elaborate on what they are?


K Upset in the Bath

Another WILD. I head upstairs and hear the bath running. I enter the bathroom and K is in the tub. She turns off the water. The curtain is drawn. When I open it her head is very close to the water. She is slumped over ike she's very depressed about something. Even though I am fully clothed, I realize it doesn't matter and I enter the tub. I ask her what's wrong and try to comfort her some.

She starts a long winded statement, only some of which I rememer: "Long after you stop working in the city, you'll meet up with a guy by the name of Horowitz, and ...    (There was more here which I forget). I wake

[arliatis]

this is interesting stuff, i've recently been asking questions with my DC's and find it hard to remember what is being said. you seem to do it easily.

just from my point of view, like you were saying you, could perhaps ask another DC, perhaps a male so that the sex drive won't be so easy.

[DrTechnical]

Yeah, my wife is a convenient DC because most of my lucids begin in my "dream house" and I can always find her.

I haven't been at this much of late though.

Since I read Waggoners book however, I have opened my mind to the difference between asking DC's quesitons and your dreamspace questions. Those are two different exercises w/ potentially different results. For example, try asking a question out loud to your dreamspace when no one else (no DC's) are around. Make sure the question is non-ambiguous. You might be surprised as to what you get.

[StarSeeker]

Some of the events you describe remembered me of an experience I had once....