modified meditation

[DrTechnical]

Well i've somewhat gotten bored of being god, and now my goals don't really require me to overpower the dream, just observe mainly. In that nature i guess the meditation could help by calming your mind down, so you don't just impulsively fly around and change stuff. To what extent do you think you can communicate to your SC in dreams? If you perform certain actions that have symbolic meaning, do you think it might have an effect?

I don't know if you "directly communicate to" your SC when lucid in a dream. Certainly it communicates to you. That is an easy one to believe.

I think you manage your SC rather indirectly when lucid. Through your actions and so forth. Another thread comes to mind. About aggressive DC's. If you were aggressive back, that sends a certain message to your SC, and also effects the potential storage of that thread and thought process for future purpose, if you see what I'm driving at there.

[arliatis]

I think you manage your SC rather indirectly when lucid. Through your actions and so forth. Another thread comes to mind. About aggressive DC's. If you were aggressive back, that sends a certain message to your SC, and also effects the potential storage of that thread and thought process for future purpose, if you see what I'm driving at there.

Might look the thread up, but i think i understand where your coming from, and tend to agree.

[Rebel Seven]

My first query is how long do you want the dream to go on for? Because i'm content with dreams that seem to last 10-15mins or more, but then there's the extended time dreams which i class in their own category. I haven't found a way to make a dream last for hours plus consistently, but usually for me if i do meditation i can expect the dream to last at least 10mins, given something doesn't wake me up in reality. Also with what Dr T was saying, are you actively changing the environment? or are you just passively walking around?

Well, at the moment I don't have a cap for how long I want the dream to go on for. I guess I just want to find out how long it can go right now. When in the dream I don't change the dream scene, but I do exert control. I have no problem with magic or TK or flying. However, when in the dream where I have been passive, (simply walking/talking) I still tend to wake up suddenly.

I do want to mention that I tried this meditation technique a while ago and had the longest LD I have ever experienced (7-9 min)    I can't tell if it was a placebo effect or not but I don't really care! 

Thank you!

[arliatis]

Well, at the moment I don't have a cap for how long I want the dream to go on for. I guess I just want to find out how long it can go right now.

Much like you can't really describe to somebody what a lucid dreams feels like they have to experience it themselves, i've had dreams which have felt like they've lasted for an entire week. but that being said it can't induce them they just happened every once in a while.

When in the dream I don't change the dream scene, but I do exert control. I have no problem with magic or TK or flying. However, when in the dream where I have been passive, (simply walking/talking) I still tend to wake up suddenly.

Hmmm i understand what you mean, and i'm not too sure how you would stop that happening (can be very frustrating). did something in RL cause you to wake up, or did the dream just seem to suddenly end?

I do want to mention that I tried this meditation technique a while ago and had the longest LD I have ever experienced (7-9 min)    I can't tell if it was a placebo effect or not but I don't really care! 

Thank you!

yay
what would make it a placebo if it happened a while ago? have you read other articles about this, cause i'd like to see what other people have experienced?

[Rebel Seven]

Just an update, I have made meditating a regular practice and it has been completely successful!

An average lucid dream is at least doubled in length in general after I started applying this method. I owe a lot of my lucid success to using this grounding method, It is simple, but has made a world of difference!

[arliatis]

Just an update, I have made meditating a regular practice and it has been completely successful!

An average lucid dream is at least doubled in length in general after I started applying this method. I owe a lot of my lucid success to using this grounding method, It is simple, but has made a world of difference!

Sorry for the late reply, but thats great news! glad I'm not the only person this works with.
Does it still give you the same benefits now?

[Rebel Seven]

Sorry for the late reply, but thats great news! glad I'm not the only person this works with.
Does it still give you the same benefits now?

And an equally late reply-reply

Yep, still beneficial, I can't imagine not using nowadays.

[arliatis]

Sorry for the late reply, but thats great news! glad I'm not the only person this works with.
Does it still give you the same benefits now?

And an equally late reply-reply

Yep, still beneficial, I can't imagine not using nowadays.

Ok so we know that it works now.... at least for some people.
how do you think it works?
I've always considered it to be like rubbing your hands together, but to a more extreme length.

[Tom]

....Once i've become lucid, i'll immediately sit down cross legged (depending on the stability i might move somewhere comfortable). I'll put my hands in the usual position when i meditate in RL, but not close my eyes (don't do that you might wake up). I un-focus my eyes though, so that i can still see my environment, but not focus on anything in particular. Once i've gotten into position, i'll take in one really big breath, and usually that will automatically calm my body down, enough to eliminate the chance of the dream ending or after 1 or 2 more breaths. Once i've calmed myself down, I'll modify my breathing so that my focus is on the idea of me 'breathing in' the dream. Its difficult to explain the feeling, but its like i'm no longer so much an intruder to the dream, but i've mixed myself with the dream, like i'm just as much a part of the dream as the dirt i'm sitting on. I'll carry this on ranging from 30secs to up to 5mins. The more i 'breath in' the dream, the more stable it becomes and the clarity also increases.

Its not only for when the dream is unstable, often i'll just do it for the sake of it, and its never had a negative effect only ever seems to increase my awareness. ......
 

[[[[This sounds great!.. for people who are ..[avid experianced lucid dreamers]..but what about the bigger majority of people who are just trying to have their first..second or third lucid dream..
How are they going to remember to do all these things in a lucid dream?]]]

[bluebird]

Well Tom, most people usually wake up immediately from their first few lucids, it takes some getting used to as we know so they will have plenty of time to look over stabilisation techniques for their next dream. It's a hard step getting past your first few lucids but I'm sure this technique is just as helpful as any other to a beginner.

[arliatis]

This sounds great!.. for people who are ..[avid experianced lucid dreamers]..but what about the bigger majority of people who are just trying to have their first..second or third lucid dream..
How are they going to remember to do all these things in a lucid dream?

I agree that this technique is probably more beneficial to people who have gotten past the stage of doubting their ability, and just want to improve the quality.

Well Tom, most people usually wake up immediately from their first few lucids, it takes some getting used to as we know so they will have plenty of time to look over stabilisation techniques for their next dream. It's a hard step getting past your first few lucids but I'm sure this technique is just as helpful as any other to a beginner.

With regards to first time lucid dreamers, I think this method could only really work if they knew how to meditate in RL. Then all they would need to think once they become lucid "meditate!". Instead of trying to remember a series of steps to take, which might be too difficult.

[Rebel Seven]

I think it works for really, the point that Tom has already made.

The beauty of the meditation is that it ACTIVELY integrates you in the dream WITHOUT increasing your mindfulness too much, which shortens lucids.

It's amazing because it strengthens lucidity, while still putting emphasis on the dream world, while calming and soothing your emotions, while giving you a chance to ponder what you want to do.

I think that it would be easier for noobs (assuming they don't have the benefit of meditation in their waking lives) if in the beginning they just tried to remember to sit down, and breath, and stop thinking. It's a start.