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Offline arliatis

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modified meditation
« on: March 15, 2011, 09:16:46 AM »
I've been using this technique for quite a while now, and i forgot what first sparked the idea (it was probably from someone here on this site, my bad if i'm repeating something).

Once you've become lucid, quite often you might experience a rush of excitement, which will often cause a new lucid dreaming to wake up pretty much straight away. People suggest spinning and rubbing your hands together, which seem to work well and is great in overwhelming situations when the dream is on the extreme verge of collapsing. My method is used mainly when the dream is moderately unstable (you have roughly 10-15secs before you would wake up if you did nothing), or to increase clarity.

Once i've become lucid, i'll immediately sit down cross legged (depending on the stability i might move somewhere comfortable). I'll put my hands in the usual position when i meditate in RL, but not close my eyes (don't do that you might wake up). I un-focus my eyes though, so that i can still see my environment, but not focus on anything in particular. Once i've gotten into position, i'll take in one really big breath, and usually that will automatically calm my body down, enough to eliminate the chance of the dream ending or after 1 or 2 more breaths. Once i've calmed myself down, I'll modify my breathing so that my focus is on the idea of me 'breathing in' the dream. Its difficult to explain the feeling, but its like i'm no longer so much an intruder to the dream, but i've mixed myself with the dream, like i'm just as much a part of the dream as the dirt i'm sitting on. I'll carry this on ranging from 30secs to up to 5mins. The more i 'breath in' the dream, the more stable it becomes and the clarity also increases.

Its not only for when the dream is unstable, often i'll just do it for the sake of it, and its never had a negative effect only ever seems to increase my awareness. 

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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2011, 02:44:19 PM »
Excellent and useful.  Thank you!
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2011, 05:32:15 PM »
I will try this, thanks.  :content:
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2011, 06:14:47 PM »
have you found that practicing this regularly has increased the length of your lucids in general?
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 09:54:30 PM »
have you found that practicing this regularly has increased the length of your lucids in general?

Defiantly, not only does it change the stability but it also effects my mood in the dream. So for example if i didn't meditate i would just run/fly around the place as fast as i can trying to do as many things as possible, and it just seems to wake me up after a couple of mins. But when i meditate it calms me down and i'm able to think rationally (well more so) about what i want to do, and depending on the dream they can last to what seems to be an hour or so. 
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2011, 10:56:11 AM »
This could be worked up to a very nice article, addressing an area where there isn't a whole lot of useful information.
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2011, 01:16:29 AM »
This could be worked up to a very nice article, addressing an area where there isn't a whole lot of useful information.

hmmm not too sure how to write an article, but i guess after some research i could give it a try.
thanks for the suggestion.
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2011, 02:46:15 AM »
There have been times when that way of being aware of the surroundings has kept me in a dream for what seemed like a very long time.  I was just sort of already in that state of mind, best I can remember, but it's just as you say; very aware but unfocused, as if you're not quite distinct from anything, though not for lack of clarity.

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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2011, 03:17:48 AM »
There have been times when that way of being aware of the surroundings has kept me in a dream for what seemed like a very long time.  I was just sort of already in that state of mind, best I can remember, but it's just as you say; very aware but unfocused, as if you're not quite distinct from anything, though not for lack of clarity.

I like the way they Cob describes dreaming in Inception, its like the dreamer has a 'mark' on themselves which tells everything else in the dream to attack (white blood cells fighting an infection). This seems to get rid of the 'mark' and i feel like i belong in the dream, and not like an infection.
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2011, 09:16:15 AM »
Makes very good sense.

yeah, closing your eyes in a lucid dream is very dangerous stuff.

Secondly, I think your technique simply let's the dream take hold of you a little better. I believe dream instability in a lucid dream is fundamentally rooted to you (the dreamer) over imposing their will. I think the meditation technique above sounds like one excellent way to set the stage to avoid that.
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 04:38:47 AM »
yeah, closing your eyes in a lucid dream is very dangerous stuff.

As long as your actively focusing on another sense connecting you to the dream, i find it doesn't matter too much..... given your mind doesn't slightly think 'something to do with the word 'wake up'.

Secondly, I think your technique simply let's the dream take hold of you a little better. I believe dream instability in a lucid dream is fundamentally rooted to you (the dreamer) over imposing their will. I think the meditation technique above sounds like one excellent way to set the stage to avoid that.

like its related to how much a person consciously changes the environment?
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 08:48:08 AM »

like its related to how much a person consciously changes the environment?

Yes, basically. You need to work synergisticly with the dream, as opposed to overpower it. That doesn't mean you can't impose your conscious will, but perhaps it does mean there is a limit, and that limit is dependent on the nature of what you are trying to do. My opinion.
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 03:20:53 PM »
My problem is that after attaining dream stability, and a high level of clarity, that I will have a few minutes in dream I wake up suddenly, no fading, no chance of saving the dream. I feel like the dream is stable and I usually am not thinking "Oh god Oh god, I have to hurry and do this before I wake up!" I am looking for ways to increase dream length, but it is difficult to find suggestions because I already have stability and clarity.
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2011, 02:48:06 AM »
Yes, basically. You need to work synergisticly with the dream, as opposed to overpower it. That doesn't mean you can't impose your conscious will, but perhaps it does mean there is a limit, and that limit is dependent on the nature of what you are trying to do. My opinion.

Well i've somewhat gotten bored of being god, and now my goals don't really require me to overpower the dream, just observe mainly. In that nature i guess the meditation could help by calming your mind down, so you don't just impulsively fly around and change stuff. To what extent do you think you can communicate to your SC in dreams? If you perform certain actions that have symbolic meaning, do you think it might have an effect?
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Re: modified meditation
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 02:52:14 AM »
My problem is that after attaining dream stability, and a high level of clarity, that I will have a few minutes in dream I wake up suddenly, no fading, no chance of saving the dream. I feel like the dream is stable and I usually am not thinking "Oh god Oh god, I have to hurry and do this before I wake up!" I am looking for ways to increase dream length, but it is difficult to find suggestions because I already have stability and clarity.

My first query is how long do you want the dream to go on for? Because i'm content with dreams that seem to last 10-15mins or more, but then there's the extended time dreams which i class in their own category. I haven't found a way to make a dream last for hours plus consistently, but usually for me if i do meditation i can expect the dream to last at least 10mins, given something doesn't wake me up in reality. Also with what Dr T was saying, are you actively changing the environment? or are you just passively walking around?
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