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Offline Luminous

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How to overcome problems with dream control
« on: April 24, 2008, 08:21:59 AM »
After being active in the online lucid dreaming community for almost half a year now, I see that both lucid dreaming newbies and experienced oneironauts have at least from time to time problems controlling and manipulating their lucid dreams. I, too, have problems now and then. Lately, I've been paying attention and working on overcoming these problems when they occur. I've found some interesting results, so I want to share them.

Please keep in mind that these techniques might not work for you even though they work for me. However, they are sure worth a try!

First off
: there are lucid dreamers that will tell you that some things are impossible to do in lucid dreams. The most famous myths when it comes to this is the idea that you can't manipulate light, you can't get digital clocks to work, and you can't get text to appear stable. Don't listen to them. Your only limit is your imagination, and also what you think you can do.

Things that hinders you from gaining control

You've all watched the Matrix. You have seen how Morpheus teaches Neo to free his mind, to know that everything is possible, when you free yourself from doubt, disbelief and fear. This applies to lucid dreaming. As an example, newbies often post that they are unable to fly. After talking to them, it appears that the most common reason for this problem is that they have some level of doubt that it will work.

Trying too hard is also a hindering. This is my most common cause of control problems. Frustration often follow this, making it even harder, and is also a control stopper.

So, what do you do when you find yourself unable to gain control in your dream?

Free your mind

It's all about believing that it's possible. Don't think you can't do it, because if you think that, you can't. Lots of other lucid dreamers can do the same things that you want to do, so why shouldn't you? Even when awake, tell yourself that you can do it.

Don't try too hard, don't get frustrated

Flying or levitating something is a great example here. No matter what you do, it doesn't seem to work. So you try new methods. You try harder. And harder. Not only does too much effort make you risk waking up, it will make it even harder to do. I'm also talking from experience here. I've woken myself up plenty of times while trying to teleport because I put too much mental effort to it.

Try a more relaxed approach. Say you tried to levitate a box. You used the approach as mentioned above. If you haven't woken yourself up on accident by now, you are getting frustrated. And I tell you, the more frustrated you get, the more impossible will it be to control your dream. Relax both your mind and dream body, then try again, gently. Give yourself some time. You are now more likely to have success.

Practice makes perfect

This especially accounts to newbies. Even if you still fail your control attempts, know that there usually is a learning curve, and if you find out that you have more of a learning curve than others, don't let that put you down. When you then master the skill, you have come a long way, and you should be very proud of yourself! Doesn't accomplishment feel even better when you have worked even more for it? :D


Whether you're a newbie or expert, I hope you get something out of this thread. Feel free to post thoughts, comments and personal experiences.

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Re: How to overcome problems with dream control
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 12:11:49 PM »
Good post, luminous!

I'd like to add some of my personal experiences, especially some practical tips for practising skills.

I really believe in a step-by-step and 'start-simple' approach to build confidence.

When I started to learn telekinesis, I first decided to dedicate my next lucid completely to training this skill.
Once lucid, I started TK-moving very small objects, over a very short distance. Like I would hold my hand just above a pen on the table and move it towards my hand. When this worked and I got a feel for it, I went for bigger objects and increased distance and speed of the movement. It took multiple dreams, but now I can move large items on a far distance. And my ability remains, cause now I've experienced that it IS possible.

Now I'm working on my flying with the same approach, but I haven't spent too much time practising flying.

So, what I would suggest for learning a new skill, is to start small and simple and increase difficulty as you go along.
I suppose the learning curve will get steeper once you learn more skills and maybe in the end, you've completely freed your mind, so anything is possible just from the start...
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Re: How to overcome problems with dream control
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 10:23:05 PM »
This is exactly what I needed to read! Thanks Luminous!
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Re: How to overcome problems with dream control
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 07:57:52 PM »
I agree that a lot of it is just about confidence and practice. Also, thank you for mentioning that different things work for different people. I believe this is very true.

For example, I think it's important to try different ways of flying. Some people do well with wings, some people use the "rubber band" method, some people fly like superman. Personally, I fly like Ironman, where I get off the ground by applying invisible force under my hands and feet. Once off the ground I can fly like superman, although I'm rarely able to go extremely fast.

Another example--some people use spinning to teleport, but that's never really worked for me. I use doors because I can visualize and concentrate without being distracted by the spinning. My brother, on the other hand, teleports the way the Necros do in the movie Riddick--he sends a piece of himself there first, to take root, and then the rest of his being follows. This works great for him but for the life of me I can't do it.

So when it comes to dream control, if one thing doesn't work, try something else! There's no limit to it.  :D


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Re: How to overcome problems with dream control
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 12:31:43 PM »
First off: there are lucid dreamers that will tell you that some things are impossible to do in lucid dreams. The most famous myths when it comes to this is the idea that you can't manipulate light, you can't get digital clocks to work, and you can't get text to appear stable. Don't listen to them. Your only limit is your imagination, and also what you think you can do.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. 

It's impossible to constantly accelerate during flight.  Once you start going fast enough, everything becomes a blur.  You can't have motion without having something to move relative to.  You reach a point where there is no longer anything around you, and you stop moving.

I've wracked my brain trying to come up for a solution to that problem, and there just isn't one.  It's not lack of imagination. 

If it was just how fast you wanted to reach a destination, then there would be ways around it (teleportation), but when your goal is to fly as fast as you possibly can, and then to go faster, it just can't be done.  Believe me, I've tried.  Anyone who would like to prove me wrong is welcome to try, but I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts it can't be done.
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Re: How to overcome problems with dream control
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 06:04:45 PM »
I soo want to watch the Matrix right now, must be a great inspiration.

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Re: How to overcome problems with dream control
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2008, 06:17:19 PM »
Believe me, I've tried.  Anyone who would like to prove me wrong is welcome to try, but I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts it can't be done.

Cusp, I hope you know I respect you well for your views on lucid dreaming. But I'd like to point out the fact that your failure at doing something in a lucid dream is no more proof that it can't be done than you not being able to do it.

That being said, because lucid dream is a personal experience, it is very hard to find "proof" of anything. But if one person in MM claims to have accelerated fast enough, would you call that losing your bet?
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Re: How to overcome problems with dream control
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2008, 10:53:02 PM »
I think the biggest thing when it comes getting really good dream control, is making people understand WHY they have control of everything. If they can fully understand everything involved, they can then begin to really believe they can do anything.

If someone is having trouble controlling their dream, explain to them the details of what a dream is. Its nothing more than a compilation of thoughts translated to images when you get right down to it. Everything in your mind, is created by you. Like one person suggested, its similar to the Matrix.

I actually have a Dream Control tutorial that I'm going to get around to posting up at some point. Its all in my head, I just have to quit being lazy with it. Its really detailed I think, and helps people overcome some of the most common problems, as well as some of the advanced problems like summoning new people to the dream.