Just an OBE? Or something different?

[bluebird]

Hi all, I need some advice on this event from 16th May, I am not sure if I was awake or asleep or what is going on. Please read and let me know what you think happened to me, this felt unlike any dream I've ever had, it was very weird.

16th May 2012

Ok so, something different happened last night. I'm going to be as detailed as possible in case I need to reference this again at some point. I went to sleep at 11pm, and was woken at about 3am by my flatmate who was on the phone. It was only about 30 mins before my WBTB so I just tried to get back to sleep. Almost instantly something very strange happened. I felt like my body just fell through my bed and through the floor and kept on going, while I floated out of it and became just energy.

At first I thought that I had died but it occurred to me that this was probably some sort of dream experience so I went along with it. I suddenly felt this great satisfaction, that I was free of my human form and living at one with the universe full of energy and matter. It was a very strange feeling, but I felt like I no longer had an identity and more was just one part of a collective universe. Next, I started to see hallucinations of all different colours and shapes. Most notably I saw some extremely vivid Red, Yellow and Blue triangles. The colours were so clear like poster paints, and there were literally millions of these triangles.

I realised this is probably as close to AP as I'm ever going to get, and I attempted to pass a message. I think I just said my name (bluebird) and my real life name and something else which I won't say in case someone retrieved it. I then saw these quite clearly alien life forms. At this point I tried to explain I was from Earth, hoping that they spoke English or understood me. They appeared to be a very odd shape, more weighted towards the top of their body than the bottom which must make it difficult to stay upright. They also had these funny eyes at a weird angle (pointing to 1 and 11 on a clock). I then got worried that if I had indeed contacted aliens, and they came to Earth, would they be friendly or not?

I stayed in this state for no longer than 2 minutes total, the last thing I saw before returning to my body was a few select stars and planets, I can't say I recognise any of them but I didn't see the Sun or anything from our solar system. I then felt my body sort of wrap around me like a coat and I was back to reality, left wondering what I had just been through.

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Now that I think about it, I don't think I fell asleep after returning to my body so I can only assume this was a very crazy accidental WILD. I'm not sure though, looking for opinions on this one if anyone has anything to comment.

[greg lousy]

I just want to point out that the beginning part of your experience sounds like it borders on what the dream yogis call a "clear light dream", where individual identity is transcended and a deep sense of unity is felt. According to Rinpoche, the experience is is like being a part of a white light that is allencompassing. I know its not exact, but it sounds like you may have been in the vicinity of that experience, whatever you want to call it (I'm not trying to attach any beliefs to it)

this part...

I suddenly felt this great satisfaction, that I was free of my human form and living at one with the universe full of energy and matter. It was a very strange feeling, but I felt like I no longer had an identity and more was just one part of a collective universe. Next, I started to see hallucinations of all different colours and shapes. Most notably I saw some extremely vivid Red, Yellow and Blue triangles. The colours were so clear like poster paints, and there were literally millions of these triangles.

As for the rest, I don't feel I'm in the position to say... if anyone is it may be you

[Sunshine]

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[DrTechnical]

Lot's of different ways to interpret this.

It is not uncommon to be OOB and be dissociated from any type of "form" or "body". This may have been the first time it's happened to you, but you'll see mention of this phenomenon a lot.

My best guess is that your mind tried to place a level of oddness consistent with the odd experience. You knew it was so weird, that you mind did you the additional favor of adding the aliens.

OR

You might have been with aliens. WTF do I know?

[Tom]

..........I went to sleep at 11pm, and was woken at about 3am by my flatmate who was on the phone. .......

Are you shure you werent smoking something? ..just kidding!

When you answered the phone  you were in a FA only you didnt know it...

Then you hit the dream bed and did a free fall.. [just a guess.]

Were you doing [SSILD]? that night because   false awakenings occure a lot with that method...

[greg lousy]

  The description of the beings you describe, the classic alien like on "Close Encounters", is commonly associated with people who have alien abduction experiences.  Before the concept of ET's, they called them "elves".  And what those people have in common are high levels of DMT, a hormone from the pineal gland associated with dreaming.  This phenomenon often runs in families. 
 

Now that you mention it the whole experience sounds a lot like how Terrence McKenna describes his DMT trips (incidentally a YouTube must). Right down to the elves (Moonbeam, are you sure they can measure a person's DMT levels?)

  follow up question - did these aliens look physical, like if you saw them walking down the street in our world, or were they composed of a stranger matter or energy?

I think Moonbeam is right on and there's a good chance your pineal gland was highly activated. In any case I think its worth reading up on DMT and the pineal gland if you haven't.

 Dammit Bluebird, my admiration of your dream life is in serious danger of turning to envy.

[bluebird]

Tom, I checked with the girl who was on the phone and she said she was really talking to someone so it wasn't a FA.

I didn't do SSILD until afterwards, this occurred before my WBTB.

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DrTech I would be inclined to agree with you about the aliens, it's much more likely than me making contact on behalf of Earth

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I'm surprised by how normal this seems to a lot of Lucid Dreamers, I think maybe I have overreacted to a fairly normal experience. It certainly felt strange though

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Greg, the aliens looked physical, but what they were made out of I couldn't say. At best guess they looked kind of leathery (the brown leather not the smooth black kind). But they also looked kind of like parasites if you've ever seen them under a high power microscope.

I've never heard of DMT before, I'll look it up after my exams are over

[greg lousy]

I'm surprised by how normal this seems to a lot of Lucid Dreamers, I think maybe I have overreacted to a fairly normal experience.

Not at all Blue, I joined MM last december and I thats about the most profound experience I've read. It sounds a lot like specific dreams Waggoner and DeBerge describe as THEIR most profound.

Allow me to make up for the general lack of enthusiasm with the following barrage of smileys

    
                                                                                                       
 

[Snaggle]

 Yes, Bluebird you experienced the classic dream OBE and you were correct to realize you were dreaming when you're body fell through the bed (an obvious dream sign). Since you did not stay in the real world you were in  the astral plane/DR. Techical's non-material realities/ or simply in an otherworldly dream as I would say, but than again maybe you encountered machine elves/ clockwork elves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_elf and http://www.serendipity.li/dmt/dmtart00.html

Watch out the Nazi and Illuminati saw/see them too and follow their orders-we know how the New World Order is going to end

Greg it was not a "clear light dream". If it had been he would of had no point of consciousness and been one with the dreamscape, with just thoughtless and emotionless awareness.

[majic]

Sounds like it was close to "clear light" but due to the surprise you started to interpret it. I suspect you were in what I call the void or the space between dreams and where I say we can see unformed dreams or REM state but as energy without form. The geometric forms and flashes are great but take a very relaxed mind to observe or they very quickly become dreams. Its possible to stay in that space and meditate there for a while and its a place to lose all sense of self. Just some thoughts as its a space if we are talking about the same thing that I have spent a lot of time in over the years. Odd the first few times but a special space.

[dryalantha]

I remember I had a OBE once, the most successful one I've ever had. I saw a person who said a lot of metaphysical stuff and also ''oh and we have extended your life with xxx light years and -- more metaphysical stuff which was too difficult to understand -- hm.. you have no idea what I am talking about isn't it.. She was right.  After that she told me ''Go to England!'' back then I've answered her I'm not interested in England but wanted to visit Ireland sometime. However, some years later my friends invite me to travel with them to England... and I did. No Ireland so far. 

What I try to say is, I don't believe in aliens at all. But sometimes I have this weird experiences where life forms appear, or they talk about extending our lives or about the future... even if I don't believe in those theories, they appear anyways.

What I have learned about my OBE's and LD's are the following differences:
- LD's in different states of lucidity
- OBE's are always highest lucidity like I am totally awake and can remember everything of my real life
- A LD can happen anywhere and no sensations are needed. When the dream stops, I can feel/see it 'go away'.
- An OBE -always- starts in the room where I sleep and everything looks very realistic, maybe some objects are moved - however: it's still my room. When the OBE stops, it's possible to feel a shock, but that is not necessary.
- In LD's I have the power to change anything.
- In a OBE I can't change anything. Everything is just the way it is. I can maybe fly, but I can't turn a DC into a hotdog.

Also, some believe OBE's are real, others believe it's just something from the mind.

At first I thought that I had died

I had something like this too, a couple of months ago. A friend, who knows a lot about brain states, told me I had a delta experience. It's like the black void, where every sensation/sense/feeling/thoughts no longer exist. If you go just a little deeper, the black void will turn into a white tunnel. And tadaaa, you have a near death experience.  At least, that's the theory. I don't feel like trying it out yet  But that's also what people with a heart attack can experience, everything shuts down - your brainwaves go very deep and you experience something like that. Scientist have found a way to fake this experience, that's a fact - but so far nobody knows if the spontaneous experiences are real. Well ok, they -are- real but what they mean is like if the experience is real as in a real other dimension/level/world.

This has been discussed on a Dutch forum before and there is always a group who believes there are more dimensions/worlds out there and others who don't believe it. The funny thing is, all the people who had these experiences before believe it's very real (also because of some realistic facts, like you heard the phone call) are in the group of believers and people who never had the experience are in the group of non-believers.  And also people who are afraid of the unknown and hope to find some logical explanation are in the group of non-believers.

That's what I saw at a Dutch forum of course, not sure if it's the same over here... but actually it doesn't really matter.
What do you think Bluebird?