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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2013, 10:13:21 PM »
I'd be willing to kick in some money. How many members do we have? If everyone were to pay $20, how much would that be?

Also, what about charging an annual fee to be a member? I'd pay ~$100/year, or more. But maybe that would be more than a lot of people would want to pay. But most people could probably afford $20/year. Less than $2 per month.
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2013, 10:28:56 PM »
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2013, 12:26:55 AM »
You don't suppose the SMF support team would have anything to offer?
Well I tend to agree with everyone on option #2
We are already indebted to you pj for all the time you have given to this site and the MM community. I'm certain it is all we've seen and much much more!
  It would ultimately be your decision and I would trust in that.
.....beyond that, I wish I had more to add: skill, time, money something!
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2013, 07:09:55 AM »
Crippled by answering on my phone, but there is more to it than the money.  The project has to be managed by somebody who knows and understands us, our values and our way of doing thing. 

Will write more soon.
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2013, 08:11:16 AM »
Following up now.

The willingness to put up cash is good to know.  We don't talk about it openly because our benefactors choose not to be public about it, but to date every monetary need we have ever had has been met, and that pretty much without even being asked.

Yes, there is more to it than money.  Entrusting our database to somebody means giving them access to everything that is MM.  Entrusting our server to somebody means quite literally putting a big part of my own life on the line.  We have been blessed through the years with technically brilliant people who we are able to trust completely.  That combination is hard to come by.

Short of that, such as in the case of using a hired consultant/programmer, the project still has to be managed.  We need a trusted, capable individual here taking care of the live stuff while the consultant takes care of the programming and whatnot off-site.  This may well end up being the way it goes.

At the same time, however, things are happening in my life that may increase my availability in the foreseeable future.  At this point I really don't know.  All of this really comes down to the fact that I am the only even remotely technical person paying attention to what goes on here on an administrative level, and my life has been complicated lately.  (This is taking NOTHING away from others who take care of administrative functions here, just recognizing that nobody else who is here regularly anymore is capable of dealing with the system-level stuff.)

As I tried to point out in the opening of this thread, this is something that needs to be discussed and prepared for, but not (at this point) something that has to be dealt with as if it is an immediate crisis.  The discussion is good, knowing our options is great, and knowing the community's willingness to be part of the solution is excellent.

So please continue discussing options and possibilities, and thank you.

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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2013, 02:33:07 PM »
Do we have a deadline to when we have to abandon SMF 1, and if so, when?

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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2013, 03:36:36 PM »
No deadline, per say.  It is just that the longer we wait, the more likely our move will be sudden and awkward or things will go horribly awry.

I was checking out mu's SMF2 forum yesterday.  It is all there and a migratory path is established.  There are none of the features though, and a generic skin.
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2013, 05:41:09 PM »
Is there an easy way to back up our DJs, in case everything gets wiped out?
In the secret space of dreams
Where I dreaming lay amazed
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And the petals all unfold
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2013, 05:54:20 PM »
There is, actually - and it is part of our custom code.  Rest assured there is almost no way we could possibly lose everything though - we have a very effective backup system that keeps copies on two separate servers.

To back up your own dj, just go to Profile and click on Download Dream Journal over there in the left column.
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2013, 11:02:16 PM »
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You don't suppose the SMF support team would have anything to offer?

What I am getting at with that comment pj is to raise the possibility of there being any possible reason that they (the support team) would benefit from helping with the transition to SMF2?
I don't know how these free servers work or what function the Support teams have.
Just trying to think of some feasible solution to obtaining the new the new software needed without you having to do it all.
I'll see it when I believe it.

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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2013, 05:37:39 AM »
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2013, 06:00:26 AM »
Ok - it actually says, "Download Dream Journal".
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2013, 06:04:44 AM »
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You don't suppose the SMF support team would have anything to offer?

What I am getting at with that comment pj is to raise the possibility of there being any possible reason that they (the support team) would benefit from helping with the transition to SMF2?
I don't know how these free servers work or what function the Support teams have.
Just trying to think of some feasible solution to obtaining the new the new software needed without you having to do it all.


They already offer a lot, actually.  They provide a migration path from an SMF1 with mod packages to SMF2.  Mod packages are the tricky bit - they are complex, fussy things that rely on every space, punctuation mark and invisible character to be where it is expected, and they have to be applied and un-applied in order.  This is how, I believe, our test site SMF2 came to be, for the most part. 

There is no guarantee there will be corresponding mod packages for SMF2, and in most cases with us there are not.  Some of ours were manually coded.  Others have been abandoned, and still others just don't work or aren't needed with the new SMF2 architecture.
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2013, 11:11:26 AM »
One issue might be solved: there is an integration mod for SMF2 installing Ajax Chat in a way similar to what we have here.

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/?mod=1319


Never mind.  No good for SMF2.0.5.
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Re: The End of SMF 1 is coming, sooner than later.
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