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Offline DrTechnical

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Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« on: December 26, 2010, 10:05:37 AM »
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SARP is a new lucid dream induction technique. The original concept was developed by our own IndigoGhost in his original "As Above So Below" write up that he has shared with a  number of people. My intent here, is to capture the main aspects of AASB, point out some of the inherent originality and value and then propose one additional suggestion that can be used in conjunction with the original idea.


AASB

The As Above So Below idea centers around two basic concepts that we should all be familiar with. First, it reviews the propensity humans have to operate in a rather robotic mode. We get caught up in automatic mode all day long ... driving, doing routine repetitive chores and the like. This robotic behavior does nothing to facilitate mindfulnes during the day, let alone in the dream state. Second, there is the concept of parallelism between the dream and wakeful states. I won't go into tremendous detail here, but the whole idea of reality checks (RC) relies significantly on this concept. Engage in reality checks while awake to encourage reality checks while dreaming. OK, so why do RC based techniques lead to modest lucid dream success at best?

Think about your reality test. Let's take any one you can think of. Maybe you're fond of looking at your hands for anything odd. What invariably happens howver, is the very action you are doing to enhance awareness, becomes repetitive and ultimately falls into the category of human robotic action. You implement the reality check with modest attention, in a robotic way, ultimately diverging from the fundamental point of the reailty check.

The aspect of AASB that appears to be original is the idea that one should do reality tests in association with some object or scenario in waking reality space (WRS). So for instance, every time you pass a window, do a reality test. This keeps you a little more on your toes and if you judicially pick a target object that is common, you should happen upon that object in your dreamspace as well. Doing reality tests while encountering the target object in WRS, should bleed into the habit of doing reality tests while encountering the dream version of that object as well.


SARP

So the proposed techique goes a step or two deeper. Given the AASB paradigm, I think there should still be some concern that passing a WRS object and doing a reality test can still become robotic. You need to be careful about picking something that is common, but not so abundant that you are doing reality tests constantly. That will water down any effect on mindfulness and enter the realm of robotic behavior.

Perhaps the modified technique is best described by way of example:

Let's say my target object is a doorway. Every time I open a door and pass through I will do a reality check. But what kind of reality check? We would want something that forces us to use some actual critical thinking while going through the door, thus engaging the left brain. Let's say upon passing the doorway, I mentally project two time lines, one into the past and one into the future. I ask myself ... what was I just doing and how did I get here? I then ask ... what am I going to do next, is it reasonable? The goal of course is to implement these questions within ones dreamspace while passing doorways. Hopefully the left brain will kick into gear and lucidity will be achieved.

This is a very interesting technique. If you choose your target judiciously, you won't be doing reality checks constantly, but you'll be doing enough.  More standard RC technqiues have never worked for me. When I tried this method, I had a lucid dream based on a projection reality test when I was by a (dream) doorway. It took 3 days of practicing SARP to achieve that. Not bad.

If you choose to try the SARP technique, think hard about a good WRS target. Also give some consideration to the precise projection questions you will use. Mix up these questions a bit during the day just to stay on your toes. I think if people try this technique in a motivated manner, they will be pleasantly surprised. As with any technique, give it some time before drawing conclusions, good or bad.

« Last Edit: December 26, 2010, 10:16:24 AM by DrTechnical »
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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2010, 10:14:29 AM »
Thanks  :content:
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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2010, 05:54:33 PM »
Seems like it might work but it definitevely needs more testing. There are a lot of techs which work two-three times and then no more again.

Ok, I will try it for a month since today (27 dec) and share results.
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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 05:05:47 AM »
I'm glad you got Dr. T to post this for you, he conveyed the idea much better than I could. Sorry I didn't get around to doing it.  :ashamed1:


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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 05:45:56 AM »
I'm glad you got Dr. T to post this for you, he conveyed the idea much better than I could. Sorry I didn't get around to doing it.  :ashamed1:


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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 11:41:28 AM »
This developed technique seems interesting; I'm going to give it a shot!

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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 04:22:08 PM »
I had a lucid on my 1st(my 1st one)  day of trying it. :D
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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 11:21:45 PM »
I had a lucid on my 1st(my 1st one)  day of trying it. :D

I am very glad, Its nice to know someone has taken notice of my technique. Keep it up!  ;)
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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 07:28:12 PM »
Seems like an interesting method, anyone know if Phantasos ended up reaching lucidity with it?

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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2011, 04:09:15 AM »
Seems like an interesting method, anyone know if Phantasos ended up reaching lucidity with it?

Well, the method was found to be too tiresome for me (everyone is different) comparing to "coffee method" (WBTB + caffeine + autosuggestion") or DEILD. Coffee one require for me about 2-3 hours in total (WBTB + getting asleep), DEILD needs strong intention, and some autosuggestions at night. Using SARP I had to keep it mind almost constantly and after several days I decided that in my case it does not worth it as I already able to induce LDs if needed and have enough motivation.
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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2011, 01:41:41 AM »
I like these AASB and SARP concepts. I've never had much luck with regular RCs. They do tend to become robotic. This could be a way around that.

Also nice that it's not another ILD.  :chuckle:
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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2011, 12:25:56 AM »
Thanks for sharing this technique. It sounds helpful and i will be sure to try it.

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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2012, 02:35:24 PM »
Scenario
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 :D  They sure are stacking up.

1) a self-realisation that may be diffcult to put into written words (at least by me)

Your words are far better than mine.  :)
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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2012, 07:46:46 PM »
 The aspect of AASB that appears to be original is the idea that one should do reality tests in association with some object or scenario in waking reality space (WRS). So for instance, every time you pass a window, do a reality test. This keeps you a little more on your toes and if you judicially pick a target object that is common, you should happen upon that object in your dreamspace as well. Doing reality tests while encountering the target object in WRS, should bleed into the habit of doing reality tests while encountering the dream version of that object as well.

First of all...I am not knocking any of these  methods above ..they make good sense..there is nothing wrong with them...
Associated objects with reality checks durring the day.. 
Developing a daily habit  that  will carry into the dream....

BUT.....Where have I heard this before?? ???

Ahhhh!...  ::)The  10 year old nova [dreamer operators manual]  talked about doing [reality checks]  every time one encountered a  [red or green street light ]... during the day to develope a [RC]..habit to carry into the  dream...
Or notice other objects like  [green fords] or [red blinking car tail lights..or every time you see a [door] do reality check before you open it..or stop and look at your hands.... and almost any other object you want to try to remember...
I went through these exercises more than 6 years ago and couldent do it long enough to develope a habit that carried into my dreams regularly enough..
Maybe I didnt do the exercise long enough.. but I did do them  almost a month straight...  every day.. day after day with limited results in my dreaming....
These are great exercises       but [HONESTLY  in my opinion]....may work for some ..but not work as intended for everyone..
They are shure worth trying to develope!
I think some people   need a L O N G time to develope a habit that will surface often in a dream to kick start critical thought...alowing for lucidity..
I also remember an old device called...[ the pest]  you carried it in your pocket all day and it would go off every hour or thirty minutes  like an alarm clock reminding you to do a reality test..hoping in time this habit of testing reality would carry into your dreams..great simple little device!  [this could be done with an alarm watch durring the day]

All of the ideas above sound great but somehow sound similar to other methods of the past..
Just t5he same we need new ideas to to understand lucid dreaming more..Thank you..           



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Re: Scenario Associated Reality Check and Projection (SARP)
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2012, 08:12:57 PM »
The ideas of the NovaDreamer are to look for colors that the dream mask flashes in order to trigger lucidity from the mask in your dream. I have never read the NovaDreamer stuff, I just assume this is how it works. What i have been doing is different because its without the crutch of the dream mask. The way you put it, it seems like using external RC's to trigger lucidity with the dream mask. This is pretty well known as with the RemDreamer or any dream mask your supposed to RC every-time you see a flash of light etc etc. The difference here is that your not using a crutch and what is actually happening is your slowly mapping your waking world as a trigger for your dreaming one up until the point where you have so much mapped you don't even need to RC. The goal is to get you to a point where you walk through a door and consciously become aware to know if you are in a dream or not without even using an RC. The goal is similar to meditation, to make you more conscious, I don't think looking for red and green street lamps will cut it for that as, as soon as you stop using the dreaming mask you are back to 0%. If your doing this method correctly then it really should not take all that effort, as you don't need to pinch your nose or see if you can fly, you don't even need to RC. Its quite simply just a stop in unconscious "leisure" thought about work, celebrities or music and a switch into a state which you can trigger without effort that makes you question, hey? Where am i?
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