** Baby steps by bluebird **

[bluebird]

I hate to wound people in dreams. The feeling is always nasty

Yeah I completely agree with you. For some reason even in a dream world I don't like the idea of others suffering. That's why there is rarely violence in any of my dreams, I don't make a habit of starting fights or killing DC's

[bluebird]

[StarSeeker]

Irregular sleeping pattern + all the MM drama has had me lacking motivation to dream lately. Lets get back to the good stuff!

13th February 2014

I'm in a minibus with an old friend and we are driving to the zoo. When we get to the entrance we pass through one of those car scanning things they have at customs in ferry terminals. I am curious as to why this would be necessary, but I don't question it too much. Once we are inside the dream suddenly changes into a game, where I am one of the characters. At first I think it's Zoo Tycoon but it seems to be something different.

Zoo Tycoon... I love those Tycoon kind of games (and I had my dreams with them/influenced by them), but I never manage to make them profitable businesses.

First I play as a human guest, where I can just walk around and look at the animals. However, as I am approaching the enclosures some other player shoots me. I can't see where the shot came from, and it looks like it went through the wall, so I get angry that someone might be cheating. Nonetheless, I respawn and this time I will be playing as an animal. I am assigned the polar bear, and it is my job to escape the enclosure and injure as many of the guests as possible. I figure this shouldn't be too hard as a polar bear, and the game begins. I immediately get out of the enclosure as soon as the zoo keeper opens it, and go on the hunt for some people to hurt. I accidentally end up inside a building, maybe a staff room or something, where I find a large pot of boiling hot coffee. I pick it up and carry it around with me, until I run across a couple of staff members. I throw it over them in an attempt to hurt them, but then I wake up.

I must get out at hurt people! I know, let's throw hot coffee at them! They'll have to switch shirts! 

I wait a while until the dream comes back, and now I am in a library with a load more women. For some reason I am on some sort of sexual rampage, and I try to kiss or have sex with every girl in the room. Some take well to it, others don't. Eventually I realise I probably shouldn't be manipulating my DC's into having sex with me, so I decide to leave. I enter a room but suddenly a load of guys burst in and start punching me in the ribs. It really hurts and I can't do anything to stop it, even though I am lucid. Later in the dream I work out that this was probably a deserving punishment for being a dick to so many women.

Karma police: aka, an army of angry boyfriends

I walk off angrily and try to find something else to do. I consider flying but just before I take off I spot a friend of mine, so I decide to pick him up and take him with me. He is really heavy and I have difficulty getting off the ground, but eventually I fly up and show him the world from above. After being airborne for not too long, I can't hold him any longer and we both come crashing back down to Earth. We fell from a great height and there is a little pain, but not much.

You have more pain and gravity in one night's dream than me in six months. Not sure if that is bad, it probably makes for a more realistic dream.

I am travelling around a building in some corridors looking for somewhere to eat. I end up finding a cafeteria/gift shop type thing, so I go around looking at what they have to eat. I don't see many sections, there seems to be one entirely full of jelly, one with sweets (candy) and one with "Muslim food" which I find quite silly as Muslims live all over the world so no doubt eat different things, it should say the country instead. I come across another section which seems to sell cooked fish, but it costs money and I think the Muslim food was free so I go back to try and find that.

Probably halal food? I think they cannot eat pork, and that they should not eat animals which have not been killed following a certain tradition (like praying before killing the animals).

[bluebird]

Probably halal food? I think they cannot eat pork, and that they should not eat animals which have not been killed following a certain tradition (like praying before killing the animals).

Oh yeah that makes sense, maybe my SC forgot the word halal so it said "muslim" instead.

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14th February 2014

Fragment: Playing ultimate frisbee, someone dropped it and it touched the ground as they caught it, and there is a big argument as to whether it was a legal catch or not, even though it clearly wasn't

[Eithman]

I get the impression that maybe the guys who were punching you were the boyfriend of those girls?  Also, I have a question. Often times I see people posting that they feel bad about fighting people, convincing girls to have sex, etc. in dreams. I am just curious why this is? I have yet to do any of them but I feel in dream, I have no more moral obligations than I would while playing Grand Theft Auto 5. I would not restrict myself from doing pretty much anything, at least I don't think I would. I am just curious why you guys feel guilty about these things if they are only happening in your head? Awesome lucid Though! Aside from getting jumped by those guys


Something that I have also been thinking about for a while is if LD'ing could be a form of preventive maintenance per say for rapists, murderers and drug addicts?  I wonder if they could become very good at LD'ing if they taught it in some kind of rehab and maybe they could get their "fix" in the dreams rather than doing it in real life. Thought?

[greg lousy]

I enter a room but suddenly a load of guys burst in and start punching me in the ribs. It really hurts and I can't do anything to stop it, even though I am lucid. Later in the dream I work out that this was probably a deserving punishment for being a dick to so many women.

... makes me think you wouldn't have been pummeled if you didn't  already think you deserved it.  I think a lot of us have the same conflict, at least I do - though mine tends to play out by my SC making things insanely sketchy during dream sex, usually half way through

I am just curious why this is? I have yet to do any of them but I feel in dream, I have no more moral obligations than I would while playing Grand Theft Auto 5

 I have the same kind of view, but with an important distinction (for me) .  I don't believe in any real harm resulting in dream action, but I try to keep in mind that the dream follows the intent.  nothing wrong with the craziest and basest sex lucid, but it can limit the dream - treating DCs with respect and compassion, with the intent on exploration and learning, can open up whole new worlds. 
    the good thing about lucids is that you can be completely inconsistent at different times.
 
Blue,  I think its great that you had some interaction with your authoritative pursuer DCs other than fleeing or fighting, and am not at all surprised that the fear and challenge fizzled out when you approached. 

hmmmm...   I'l say....  four stars       

[Shellidfl]

Something that I have also been thinking about for a while is if LD'ing could be a form of preventive maintenance per say for rapists, murderers and drug addicts?  I wonder if they could become very good at LD'ing if they taught it in some kind of rehab and maybe they could get their "fix" in the dreams rather than doing it in real life. Thought?

Eithman
I am not quite of the same mind as greg, but I am not saying he is wrong.  I THINK DCs MAY be some type of real entity... not really sure how to put it.  So I don't purposely try to harm any in my LDs, JUST in case.  I am not sure on this, but after other conversations, have decided that this is how I want to interact with them.

[greg lousy]

I don't mean to come off as sure of anything.  I tend to fall back on intuitive impressions - most DCs feel like projections, and some seem too perfect projections to have come from anywhere but within me.  Some other, rarer ones, especially high level lucid DCs....  well, they don't feel like projections at all,  those are the ones I definitely would not go around fondling, but then again, if that kind of thing is my intent, those "next level" ones seem to not show up - in fact, in these cases, I don't think it would even be possible for them to come to the party.

[Shellidfl]

greg - forgive me if you thought that's what I meant.  Everyone has his/her own beliefs, and I am not disagreeing with you, but letting Eithman know what I think as well.     (But lord knows I've had more than my share of sex-addled lucids with guys, girls, toys, and apparently aliens as well  )

[greg lousy]

no forgiveness needed... no foul 

... just trying to go into it deeper

                                 yes, each dreamer must navigate their own ethics in the area of getting one's freak on.  My own have been tested in very disturbing ways, the specifics of which would be a terrible thing for Blue to find in waiting in his journal   

[bluebird]

I don't think it matters whether DC's are a reflection of self or a separate entity, for this example. The reason why I have moral obligations to them could apply to either reason. It is far too tempting to assume that because it is a dream one could attack or rape DC's with no moral obligations to worry about. Personally, I don't like this, and I make a conscious effort not to be too much of a dick to my DC's, because whether it is me or something else, I don't want to anger them too much.

Eithman, you are free to maintain whatever beliefs or morals you like about your DC's, this is just my personal view.

I get the impression that maybe the guys who were punching you were the boyfriend of those girls?

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

I enter a room but suddenly a load of guys burst in and start punching me in the ribs. It really hurts and I can't do anything to stop it, even though I am lucid. Later in the dream I work out that this was probably a deserving punishment for being a dick to so many women.

... makes me think you wouldn't have been pummeled if you didn't  already think you deserved it.

I agree, although I didn't consciously believe I deserved it until afterwards. At first I was confused as to why it was happening, so it must have been my SC in charge of that one. Definitely happened because I felt I deserved it though, that was probably why I didn't fight back or try to use dream powers against them to stop the pain then.

Blue,  I think its great that you had some interaction with your authoritative pursuer DCs other than fleeing or fighting, and am not at all surprised that the fear and challenge fizzled out when you approached.

Yeah it's good to go with the intention of the dream sometimes, and I'm glad it ended in such a good way.

Something that I have also been thinking about for a while is if LD'ing could be a form of preventive maintenance per say for rapists, murderers and drug addicts?  I wonder if they could become very good at LD'ing if they taught it in some kind of rehab and maybe they could get their "fix" in the dreams rather than doing it in real life. Thought?

I don't know if it's healthy for people who have that kind of urge to get a "fix". It would probably be better tackled in therapy to get to the root of the cause of the urges, rather than satisfying them and (probably) wanting more afterwards. Professional therapists and psychologists are usually well aware of LD, and I'm sure they would recommend it to patients that it will be beneficial for.

[bluebird]

17th February 2014

I am in a shop with a woman trying to pick out ingredients for a meal we are going to have. I choose some stuff to make a curry with, however the curry sauce mix is only half full and only serves one, and I am not really fancying chicken curry anyway because I ate chicken yesterday. At this point I hear a strange ticking sound, and I wonder what it could be. I can't work it out so I do a reality check, and discover that this is a dream. It is quite a low level lucid and early in the night, so all I manage to do is have sex with the woman. It goes quite well, and when I ejaculate in the dream I also do IWL, waking me up .

[Eithman]

Something that I have also been thinking about for a while is if LD'ing could be a form of preventive maintenance per say for rapists, murderers and drug addicts?  I wonder if they could become very good at LD'ing if they taught it in some kind of rehab and maybe they could get their "fix" in the dreams rather than doing it in real life. Thought?

I don't know if it's healthy for people who have that kind of urge to get a "fix". It would probably be better tackled in therapy to get to the root of the cause of the urges, rather than satisfying them and (probably) wanting more afterwards. Professional therapists and psychologists are usually well aware of LD, and I'm sure they would recommend it to patients that it will be beneficial for.

I thought that "wanting more" would be a problem with it. I am willing to bet that some therapist has tried this at some point. I will google it and let you guys know what I find. Also, I think I would probably follow along the lines of what Greg said. That if it was a low level LD with the intent of sex, I would assume the DC was a projection intended for that purpose. But if it was a high level LD with a Dream Guide, I would not try putting the moves on them.

I look at LD'ing as a playground and a class room. Though I agree with what you said also BB, to be nice just in case they are more than a DC. This also makes me think about something I had mentioned a while ago, where we might have dream shared with friends, family and strangers several times, but not noticed because they were acting like a DC and we didn't bother to try figuring it out. So doing something immoral might actually have the potential to give a real person a pretty horrific nightmare.

I am not entirely sure what to think. I guess I will have to just keep adjusting my view based on what I see an learn through dreaming.

 

It goes quite well, and when I ejaculate in the dream I also do IWL, waking me up Embarrassed.
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Huh, didn't know that was possible. I have only ever heard of girls doing this. Sweet 

[bluebird]

Huh, didn't know that was possible. I have only ever heard of girls doing this. Sweet 

Yep, happens occasionally when I have a good sex dream (almost always lucid). It's not really something you can control, but it can happen from time to time. Feels pretty awesome but also embarrassing, and your dream ends because it wakes you up

[Rhapsode]

It is quite a low level lucid and early in the night, so all I manage to do is have sex with the woman. It goes quite well, and when I ejaculate in the dream I also do IWL, waking me up [/color].

I always thought it was pretty sucky when that happens. In fact, my first few years of lucid dreaming I specifically avoided dream sex because of the high probability of me having to wake up and throw everything in the washing machine. Like Eithman said, apparently this doesn't happen to guys as often as girls so I don't know why it kept happening for me. Guess I just got really into it?