TIME

[Jomid59]

     I'd still be interested in a DJ link to anyone's example/experience of this. 

It is at times like this that I do think I should have continued keeping journals and making Dreaming some kind of career as many people seem to have done, then I could give you such a link.

But, that was not the path I went down. Dreaming was always about my personal development and there are and were always two subjects of deepest importance to me,  Time and Death.

So it wont come as surprise to hear me say I wholeheartedly agree with you

Of all the things we lucid dreamers manipulate in dreams, I think altering time perception is the most intense prospect.

Pursue this Gregg, I would like to hear your resultant insights.

Personally, I would say it is important to solidfy some recurrent locations and begin looking for their relationships.

[mentalenforcer]

I have never felt like I went to bed days or weeks ago after I wake up.  It just feels like a long time during the dream.  You remember that Star Trek NG where Picard lived a whole life on a planet and then when he died he woke back up on the Enterprise?  (He had like a flute in his pocket from that life.  I think he was sick and unconscious or something IRL.)  Kind of like that, except not as long, for me anyway.   

See, I thought Picard felt after he woke as though 75 years had passed.

I've had dreams that spanned a long time period, but they felt shorter.  As an example, a dream that spanned a week or two felt as though it lasted a half hour.

If it doesn't feel like you've been asleep that long, how do you know you experienced that much time in the dream?

[Sunshine]

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[mentalenforcer]

How can you have a week or two long dream?

The length of time in the plot of the dream spanned a week or two.

Because you remember experiencing it.  I don't think I understand what you are asking.  If you do something that takes a long time, you know that it took a long time, right?  But you don't have to guess how long you've been asleep by how it feels; you look at the clock when you wake up.

If a long time is experienced, then shouldn't you feel absent from this world during the same length of time?

[greg lousy]

          I know I'm entering "beating a dead horse" territory, but here is a better way of explaining what I'm wondering about.  Lets say my entire day yesterday was a dream.  if I were to recall the dream fairly well, and record it with the same detail I usually use in my journal, it would be a huge entry, many times longer than any entry I've come across in anyone's journal here, and thats just a day.

    We have a basic way of experiencing time.  Its flexible, and probably more so in dreams.  "How much more?" is the question.  If I experiment with this and it leads anywhere I'll post, but be warned, I'm kind of in a slow period lucidity wise.

I have had many dreams ( non lucid) that have seemingly gone on for days. Even after a vivid recall of the dream I find myself searching for reasons to believe it was not longer. It almost seems impossible.
This naturally led me to try to manipulate dreams as I was lucid. I had no such luck. The restrictions of my consciousness beside me in my dream seemed to hinder my ability to stretch time.

     Well said, If we recreate something like our waking life consciousness in a dream, it seems natural that we would also inherit some semblance of its limitations. If we're serious about tweaking our relationship to time, maybe its something that would require work from both sides of the rift.
     Also might be interesting to incubate an extended time non-lucid.

[Sunshine]

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[Jomid59]

Maybe at first, but it goes away quickly.

Dissapation is proportional.

[howitzer]

Well said, If we recreate something like our waking life consciousness in a dream, it seems natural that we would also inherit some semblance of its limitations. If we're serious about tweaking our relationship to time, maybe its something that would require work from both sides of the rift.
     Also might be interesting to incubate an extended time non-lucid.

How do we differentiate ourselves from something that is so ingrained in us? Time.....it is inherent to everything we do.
I just turned my clocks back an hour here on the east coast for day light savings time. Did I gain an hour? - no, but what if you would use some similar method to achieve the distortion of time.
Just a preliminary thought. 
Wow are there a lot of smileys to choose from! 

[Sunshine]

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[greg lousy]

How do we differentiate ourselves from something that is so ingrained in us? Time.....it is inherent to everything we do.
I just turned my clocks back an hour here on the east coast for day light savings time. Did I gain an hour? - no, but what if you would use some similar method to achieve the distortion of time.

thought # 1 - That'd be a good little experiment - just do that in a dream - dreamlight savings time - only with the intent of actually moving back with the clock

thought # 2 - yeah, but dreams often loop back to various starting points, and yet this doesn't seem to really make them "extended time" experiences

its super engrained, crazygrained, but then again, we've taken our consciousnesses out of our bodies, put them into other bodies and broken many engrained patterns, so who knows?   

 

[howitzer]

Crazy engrained ......I liked that.
Moving back the hands of time?? How do we let our brains except that in any fashion magnanimous enough to make a true impact. What impact I don't even know. 
Engrained .... Everything we learn has been engrained in us to one extent or another right? It sounds a bit crazy but we have to unlearn stuff to learn other new stuff. 
Many times in my dreams I have convinced myself over and over again that this is truly a dream. My conscious mind did not want to except that fact.
Time is similar but so so magnified.
How do you unlearn time as WE know it? It's not like air. My mind wonders all over the place with this thought.
I will have to spend more (time) to ponder this.

[Jomid59]

Maybe we have to stop measuring it.
We do all share the same moment.

[greg lousy]

We do all share the same moment.

thats it isn't it

thinking about it makes my thoughts feel like tiny pebbles

[Relyt]

I'd like to throw in my thoughts on time.

I've always thought manipulating time in lucid dreams could lead to increased skills due to much increased practice time as a result of time stretching. For example: practicing music scales on my saxophone for long periods of time in the dreamworld while a short period of time passes in the waking world.

But as has been discussed here, time is not easily manipulated, seemingly because the idea is ingrained in our heads.
I don't think that is the problem. I think the problem of stretching time is derived from our natural sleep cycle. I'm no biologist, but I do know that our brain must take certain actions at certain times so that we will wake rested and recovered for the next day (or at least it attempts to).
The point here is that it may be impossible to stretch time in dreams for physical reasons pertaining to the brain.

Having said this, I still think there may be a way to use lucid dreaming to amplify physical skills, like saxophone finger technique. Have you seen Rocky? You may guess that I'm about to bring up the famous montages of his training. What if I consciously created a montage of myself practicing saxophone scales during a lucid dream? Would my brain send the message to my muscle memory that I practiced for as long as the period of the montage? A week? A year? 10,000 years?

Probably not.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on time.  

[Sunshine]

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